UFC 66-Tito/Chuck (The Ultimate Thread)

MTKrav911 · 12-14-2006, 01:11 AM

I want A BIG Tito/Chuck 66 thread II to be a constructive one, A non-stop constructive exchange. . I'm not just talking the fight, I'm talking the intangibles into this fight. For me? This is the BIG FIGHT for the UFC in 2006!! After watching the first fight for a total of 200 times and being present for it, I'll do my best (and would love of course your feedback) as to my breakdown of it (the whole fight not just when Tito gets KTFO) and I'll try to make this thread progressive into their second fight and what I think Tito and Chuck can do to make it better

Breakdown OF THEIR FIRST FIGHT (April 2nd 2004):

Tito opens up taking the center of the ring and begins jabbing. Even Couture is surprised how aggressive Tito seems to be in the first round. Chuck circles and Tito delivers an inside kick to Chuck's front leg (but it's just a check), Chuck throws some one two combinations, and one to the body, and misses, still circles, but Tito probes him (Rogan comments on how Chuck hurt Tito with body shots during their training), Tito continues to press Chuck,
Chuck lands a lazy left hook which Tito rolls slightly away from, but it lands. Then Chuck lands 3 consecutive left jabs, Tito attempts a retarded looking single leg takedown and Chuck responds by missing with a left jab....Both Tito and Chuck spend the next 45 seconds landing with decent jabs. Both double their jabs and land them well, but neither advance off the jab. Tito delivers again 3 inside leg kicks on Chuck which slightly back Chuck up. Chuck responds again with a few one-two combination taps, Tito parries them well and both again square at the center of the ring, Tito lands a soft one two on Chucks face, Chuck responds with a solid overhand right which barely misses, Tito again goes for a retarded this time double leg takedown, again Chuck defends, and both again are at the center of the ring.

Tito then lands an unexpected right cross on Chuck. Then goes once again on Chucks inside leg, then lands a decent glancing left hook which Chuck dfends well. The two exchange combo's. They probe, then Tito lands a right cross again.

Chuck then starts working the jab effectively. It sets up three 1-2 combos which land then a 1-2-3 combo which lands, which then sets up a 1-2-3-4 -5-6 combo with a right roundhouse kick to Tito's head which Tito blocked, but the force was there! (End of Round 1)

Round II

Liddell now presses and pushes Tito back. Tito measures, then delivers a nasty kick to Chucks leg, then Chuck answers with a right which misses, Tito delivers the same kick again, then defends Chuck's jab, then Tito commits to a right cross.. Suddenly Tito bounces away, rubbing his eye.

Chuck then presses Tito in to the fence and starts landing 1, 2, 3, 4 ,combos, mixes a few uppercuts, then goes 1,2,3,4 on Tito

Ending in a KO victory!

(My opinion on the first fight) : Neither had anything to lose. Both were contenders, Randy COuture was on top. Now both of them so to speak are on top. $$$ isnt an issue anymore as both are doing well. Both are tough, both acknowledge this isnt like 2004..........However.

Chuck: Is he too comfortable? Since season II, of TUF show, he's been "The Man" .......Has glory gotten to him enough to make sure he's not over-looking Tito?

Tito: Between divorce, Ken Shamrock, Jenna Jameson, being a coach on TUF III and fighting in between? Where is he mentally? Sure he overall looked dominant vs. Forrest Griffin. But is he the OLD Tito that is required if he's to beat someone like a Chuck LIddell???? He is 5-0 as some analysts like to put it against newer talent than Chuck's title defenses...

So who wins?

Winter has not been nice to the ICeman. He's 0-1 in in winter ( and this is not fair becase it was Quentin Jackson who beat him in November of 2004), but nevertheless, Chuck knows his conditioning isnt the best at all times, especially inthe winter (he blamed the loss to Jackson later on the flu and not preparing well enough).

So can Tito win?

Let's put it this way... ONLY Tito can win (talent wise) in the current LHW division of the UFC right now.

I think Tito had the right idea with jab crossing with The Iceman (but you saw that's what killed him in the end), and this time? Who knows.

Chuck? I think this time he'd better be prepared for a more pressing Tito as far as cardio. I think Tito will train to mix up what went right striking wise the first fight and correcting what went wrong as far as takedowns. Tito knows the only real weakness of Chuck is cardio, so I expect this fight to be very entertaining strategy wise.

WIth Chuck? His only real money maker is throwing punches in bunches. The minute he's in trouble, he throws, and it works for him so far. I'd stick with that game-plan if I were him, but with some nasty as I could find wrestlers and work ground and shoot tactics.

But that's just my opinion.

duke09 · 12-14-2006, 01:30 AM

ill paly along. round 1, jostle for position. then at the 1:05 mark, tito gets ktfo, then grabs his eye, starts cryinga nd demands a rematch with shammy. and iceman and jenna ride off into the sunset

Frank for life · 12-14-2006, 01:50 AM

Ok I got it.

Chuck will keep looking over at Rampage the whole first round and have a hard time focusing on the fight and Tito will take him down. Chuck will stand up and drop Tito with a right end the fight and call out Rampage.

MTKrav911 · 12-14-2006, 01:54 AM

Well more than likely in my humble opinion.

I think Tito is gonna pull a Randy Couture and just keep pushing up against Chuck and going takedown after takedown.

The best way to test an opponents cardio (who you know is weak anyway with cardio like Chuck) is by making him defend the takedown all the time!

duke09 · 12-14-2006, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Well more than likely in my humble opinion.

I think Tito is gonna pull a Randy Couture and just keep pushing up against Chuck and going takedown after takedown.

The best way to test an opponents cardio (who you know is weak anyway with cardio like Chuck) is by making him defend the takedown all the time!

when has chuck ever gassed?

Frank for life · 12-14-2006, 02:00 AM

I think Tito does have a chance. He said last time he wanted to prove he could stand with chuck. This time he will have a much better game plan and hopefully fight smart. If he can control the tempo and push chuck I think he has a chance.
Its gotta be hard to prepare for chuck he has alot to prepare for.

duke09 · 12-14-2006, 02:03 AM

i think that tito saying in one breath that he just wants to beat chuck, and then says that the belt is the most important thing in the world, right after he says that the first time he wanted to prove something to chuck...wtf???

if the guy wanted that belt back so damn bad, why would he stand in the center of the octagon with chuck. i am not bashing tito, nor am i saying that he is all that bright, just seems kinda strange...who does that??

he must have a better game plan, cause it sure as hell couldnt be any worse than the last one.

Frank for life · 12-14-2006, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by duke09

when has chuck ever gassed?

he said against Randy in the first fight he wasn't in good enough shape. But since then he hasn't gassed or really shown any weakness. I thought Tito looked gassed against Forrest though. I wonder what he has done since to get in better shape.

duke09 · 12-14-2006, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank for life

he said against Randy in the first fight he wasn't in good enough shape. But since then he hasn't gassed or really shown any weakness. I thought Tito looked gassed against Forrest though. I wonder what he has done since to get in better shape.

tito also gassed against frank shamrock back in the day. i dont think that chuck will ever show umprepared for a fight, especially against tito...i think chuck especially enjoys knocking him out and shutting him up (well, no harm in trying).

apparently tito was riddled with injuries when he fought forrest, so he gassed because he couldnt train, so he claims.

Frank for life · 12-14-2006, 02:06 AM

I agree. Tito always says he is in his opponents head but in the first fight he got sucked in to Chucks world.

MTKrav911 · 12-14-2006, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by duke09

when has chuck ever gassed?

Thats my point

He never fought anyone who could test that .

I mean they'll all say he went 3 and a half rounds with Horn, but Him just punching Horn for 3 and a half rounds isnt testing cardio.

You know one fight where (everyone overlooks) Chuck was challenged? His fight vs Vernon Tiger White!

And I think Tito is a lot better than Vernon Tiger White who couldve easily beaten Chuck in that fight!

PghPens71 · 12-14-2006, 04:46 AM

This isnt the biggest fight in 06 and wont be the best...thats gsp/PENN back in march where Penn won but everybody forgot to notice.
n e wayz... this is a great hype fight but we saw couture/liddell 3...simply put.... howthe hellz tito going to take chuck down?? he cant and wont aND he surely wont outstrike him so wheres the hype even come in?
liddells gonna cut him with strikes and swell him up til he KOs him in round 3. its not even in debate, tito cant win this fight....

Bomber · 12-14-2006, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank for life

Chuck will keep looking over at Rampage the whole first round and have a hard time focusing on the fight and Tito will take him down. Chuck will stand up and drop Tito with a right end the fight and call out Rampage.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 12-14-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by duke09

when has chuck ever gassed?

against rampage\randy\jeremy horn

GSPALLTHEWAY · 12-14-2006, 09:45 AM

kinda disappointing i thought this was a great thread and no one really took it seriously....

ill play along though.
i think chuck and tito will dance around alot in the first and feel out each other.... in the 2nd chuck will unleash some brutal combos and tito will have to survive them.... if he does then chuck will become frustrated... tito will have to have an explosive shot, and if he does then he can absolutely win wiht TKO GnP or decision... very hard fight to call though..

also the NW 3mph wind in the arena may be a factor : )

lethalweapon · 12-14-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by duke09

when has chuck ever gassed?

When he fought Couture for the first time. Thats way Couture was able to be completly domanate standing. Chuck has got to watch out because this is not the old Tito Ortiz, this is the new Tito which is far more dangerous. I realized that in his 3rd fight with Shamrock where He fork lifted shamrocks feet off the ground when he went in for the takedown. Tito's striking is improving, not enough to knock chuck out, but enough to press the action and look for the takedown. Tito trains with Kendall Grove, Melvin Guillard, and Josh Burkemen, who in my opinion are quality strikers. I honestly don't know who will win but I do know that Chuck had better not take this fight lightly, Because this is one of his more dangerous title defences yet.

Bomber · 12-14-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

kinda disappointing i thought this was a great thread and no one really took it seriously....

ill play along though.
i think chuck and tito will dance around alot in the first and feel out each other.... in the 2nd chuck will unleash some brutal combos and tito will have to survive them.... if he does then chuck will become frustrated... tito will have to have an explosive shot, and if he does then he can absolutely win wiht TKO GnP or decision... very hard fight to call though..

also the NW 3mph wind in the arena may be a factor : )

I think this type of thread is rather silly. Describing a fight that hasn't happened yet, blow by blow, seems like just a bunch of hot air.

Dirty Fighter · 12-14-2006, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

I think this type of thread is rather silly. Describing a fight that hasn't happened yet, blow by blow, seems like just a bunch of hot air.

The first post a pbp of the first fight, not a prediction of the second.

duke09 · 12-14-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lethalweapon

When he fought Couture for the first time. Thats way Couture was able to be completly domanate standing. Chuck has got to watch out because this is not the old Tito Ortiz, this is the new Tito which is far more dangerous.

i guess chuck did gas against three guys, but that was a while ago to say the very least. much like tito gassing, i think that chuck has learned his lesson.

i am not sure that tito has improved that much. nothing is really different, imo. he may be slightly better on the ground against a middle aged man, but i dont think his skills have grown tremendously. he is gnper, and he always has been. if he was great on his feet, which he never has been, then chuck wouldnta knocked him out the first time, and he woulda finished forrest.

tito is a gnper and that is it, and he always has been...except when randy spanked him and took his title, then he was a cryer

Bomber · 12-14-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Fighter

The first post a pbp of the first fight, not a prediction of the second.

Oh.

I didn't read it all. Too long.