Penn and Pulver 2 will be on the TUF 5 Finale

Profane · 12-18-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeXVX

last time i check sherk went five rounds with matt hughes and won the first two rounds two... differnece is sherk didnt gas or injur himself. i never saw the sherk gsp fight but i doubt he did the bad being as he only lost twice in his career

Bj is top talent in the UFC. thats not even debatable. if you cant see he not only has a good chance but is gonna prolly be the favorite agianst Sherk then its obvious you just dont like BJ. i do however think Sherk has a chance agianst BJ because he is a warrior and a champion. But BJ has been in a handful of rounds with Matt Hughes and he dominated most of them losing one fight and winning the other. thats pretty impressive to me. actually the funny thing is im actually more impressed with Matt Hughes getting a win over a guy who is pretty much better then him in most area's of MMA. BJ will beat Pulver then he will beat Sherk and then people will jump off the Sherk bandwagon and back on the Penn Wagon.

RockemSockem · 12-18-2006, 05:40 PM

I will be very upset if this is a #1 contenders match. There are a lot of LWs that have built up some pretty impressive win records and are deserving. BJ has had his chances and not been successful, he should have to build himself up again. And Jens didn't even last 30 seconds in his return match. Both great fighters, both would have a good chance against Sherk, but neither are deserving of a title shot compared to a lot of the division. I wouldn't be opposed to the winner facing the #1 contender, but they really don't deserve a title shot.

duke09 · 12-18-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasp

I dont think we should judge Pulvers skill based on his last fight... Pulver clearly had Joe Lauzon underestimated. Maybe he didnt prepare enough for that fight.
I think we will see a different pulver if he fights a guy with the level of skill as bj.
I think this could be a though match for bj and i am no so certain that he will come out on top.
I still hold bj as a slight favourite but i wont be suprised if pulver come out the winner.

why not judge him on his last fight? he lost in short order to a guy he was supposed to lay the beat down to.

everyone is talking about penn as though he is a god or something. i like penn and watching him fight, but he failed to impress as of late, too.

some folks think we should disregard jens' last fight because they like him. others say that penn almost won his last few fights, so we shouldnt gauge him on his last 2 fights. i dont understand.

someone else suggests that records shouldnt be improtant, but everyone would freak if serra or lutter were given title shots if not for the tuf.

what is going on???

pulver got the beat down in his last fight in a big way. penn has lost his last two fights. and of course records should count. if not for records, maybe i, a nonestablished, nonfighter could face gsp next. hell, i have never lost a mma fight in my whole career.

Bomber · 12-18-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by duke09

maybe i, a nonestablished, nonfighter could face gsp next. hell, i have never lost a mma fight in my whole career.

Makes as much sense as anything else you said in this post. I'll watch as long as it's not on PPV.

RockemSockem · 12-18-2006, 07:08 PM

I don't think you should disregard records, but in pretty much all cases it's more complicated than that. BJ did well against GSP and Hughes despite losing both matches. Those are the #1 and #2 WWs in the world. Just because he lost it doesn't put him lower than a lot of guys because they haven't even earned the chance to face those two in the first place. And as far as Jens' fight, **** happens. Should it be ignored, no. But people get caught. Look at Buentello vs AA. That was even worse. But to say Paul Buentello is a bad fighter or overrated is rediculous. When you get in there ANYTHING can happen, and sometimes it does. People get way too emotional or look to deep into some of this stuff. That being said both BJ and Jens need to step it up as neither has lived up to their potential as of late.

duke09 · 12-18-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

Makes as much sense as anything else you said in this post. I'll watch as long as it's not on PPV.

you suggesting that we shouldnt pay attention to records or careers as of late?lol

i dont think ill be on spike either, ever since the "incident" or as they referto it: the "ugliness."

i would refer you to a website i was on, but it requires a russian credit card and proof of animal ownership...it is also illegal in 52 states...erm, nevermind, i was young, in love, and trying to pay for college

duke09 · 12-18-2006, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RockemSockem

I don't think you should disregard records, but in pretty much all cases it's more complicated than that. BJ did well against GSP and Hughes despite losing both matches. Those are the #1 and #2 WWs in the world. Just because he lost it doesn't put him lower than a lot of guys because they haven't even earned the chance to face those two in the first place. And as far as Jens' fight, **** happens. Should it be ignored, no. But people get caught. Look at Buentello vs AA. That was even worse. But to say Paul Buentello is a bad fighter or overrated is rediculous. When you get in there ANYTHING can happen, and sometimes it does. People get way too emotional or look to deep into some of this stuff. That being said both BJ and Jens need to step it up as neither has lived up to their potential as of late.

exactly what i was trying to say, only with bigger words and gooder grammer

i totally agree with you about penn/gsp/hughes, and even about jens getting caught. i think that because very fighter has an equal chance of getting caught it sorta balances and standardizes the field.

i just find that many people on here seem to fans of certain mmartists than mma in some icidents, which is fine, it is totally their perogative, but sometimes it just seems so incongruent with so many other things.

we have posts where guys say that we shouldnt concern oursleves with records or that 1 or 2 fighters shouldnt be judged against their last few performances on teh same forum that has athread talking about how riggs sucked one night.

also, there is the issue of rankings and records that some people seem to totally ignore depending on who the fighter the is. if joslin beat kos and became the automatic top 10, i suspect some people would call bull**** because of other fighters out there. if forrest beat tito and tito still got the shot at the title, people would be pouting huge based largely on records and recent performance.

i dunno, i, too, have frustrations with teh title scene and teh rankings and even records, but what else do we have? i am not about to single out one fighter above all others and suggest that his last performance shouldnt count because he lost. nor am i gonna tear people's heads off because they say that my favourite fighter lost 2 in a row. thats all i got. merry friken christmas!!

**Note: this post wasnt directed at anyone specifically, just sayin...

Osnodon · 12-27-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by duke09

why not judge him on his last fight? he lost in short order to a guy he was supposed to lay the beat down to.

everyone is talking about penn as though he is a god or something. i like penn and watching him fight, but he failed to impress as of late, too.

some folks think we should disregard jens' last fight because they like him. others say that penn almost won his last few fights, so we shouldnt gauge him on his last 2 fights. i dont understand.

someone else suggests that records shouldnt be improtant, but everyone would freak if serra or lutter were given title shots if not for the tuf.

what is going on???

pulver got the beat down in his last fight in a big way. penn has lost his last two fights. and of course records should count. if not for records, maybe i, a nonestablished, nonfighter could face gsp next. hell, i have never lost a mma fight in my whole career.

You should definately gauge Penn on his last two fights. He lost a really close split decision to the current champ and was beating the former champ until he injuried himself. Where's the shame or lack of ability in that??

subgenius · 12-27-2006, 02:39 PM

Bottom line is that BJ Penn lost his last two UFC fights. Pulver lost is return match. Both are on a level that they should be winning, and yet they are losing. But, of the two, it is Penn that is highly questionable. He seems to not care about cardio conditioning training. And, he did look chubby and out of shape in his recent interviews. He has six months to get into shape. Pulver is in great shape right now. Mentally, I think that Penn is doen in MMA. When he loses to Pulver he will be 0-3 in the UFC since his return. I think that will be the end of BJ Penn in the UFC.

Bomber · 01-02-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Mentally, I think that Penn is doen in MMA. When he loses to Pulver he will be 0-3 in the UFC since his return. I think that will be the end of BJ Penn in the UFC.

Penn will not lose to Pulver. If you like, I'd be more that happy to have a side bet on that one.

kickasscolbert · 01-15-2007, 02:34 PM

u have take account that pulver and pen have had a lot of personnal battles to deal with.
Maybe now they have had time to deal with this and have more time mentally and physically to get back into form.:sport-smi