Overated/Underrated

Osnodon · 01-17-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mulla

Nobody's saying he's unbeatable, but a lot of people who have followed his career give him his due props.

You'll also notice that his 2 losses in Pride were due to submission. Since then he's gone on to get a black belt in BJJ from the Nogueira bros so he obviously realised that was his weak spot and worked on it.

Its also worth noting that he hasnt been beaten since his last Pride loss (his loss at ROTR was down to him misunderstanding the rules and using an illegal kick which KO'd Okami).

He's also gone on to beat the #1 ranked MW in the world in his 2nd UFC match so how he can be 'overrated' is beyond me, what more do you have to do to be justifiably rated?

I think Franklin was #4 at best.

BlingDogg · 01-17-2007, 07:27 PM

^^
I actually think for a while when he was still champ, he actually was #1 or #2.
(That's the ranking he got, not my opinion. IMO he should have been lower.)

Osnodon · 01-17-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BlingDogg

^^
I actually think for a while when he was still champ, he actually was #1 or #2.
(That's the ranking he got, not my opinion. IMO he should have been lower.)

Well then I stand corrected.

riversideblues · 01-17-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BlingDogg

^^
I actually think for a while when he was still champ, he actually was #1 or #2.
(That's the ranking he got, not my opinion. IMO he should have been lower.)

that was my thought, just he won two fights against someone who made a mistake and someone he was a perfect match for and now he's a god?

i'm not saying that people on this forum say he is, but i hear it a lot.

kyle450rider · 01-17-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BlingDogg

How do you see GSP as underated? Almost all MMA fans recognize him as one of the best.

I think that he doesn't get the respect that he deserves.I don't see anybody taking his belt from him for a while.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 01-17-2007, 10:45 PM

i actually think that randy couture and jeremy horn are underrated
and mabey rampage is but not alot only a little bit

Young_Neil · 01-17-2007, 10:51 PM

overrated tito(from his last 6 fights) MAYBE bj well lately and...dunno
underrated GSP and jardine, although not so much anymore, bisping

Jasp · 01-19-2007, 10:12 AM

I dont get how people come up with the name GSP in iether category... GSP is consider by almost all to be one of the best WW ever.
So how is he underrated... and some of you have him as overrated... so you clearly havent seen his fights or what?

Overrated: Jardine, Forest and Rashad.

Underrated: Bisping, Franca, Marquardt(probably not on FF tho, he seems to be popular here)

Dirty Fighter · 01-19-2007, 11:42 AM

Overrated:
Forrest Griffen, Joe Riggs, Melvin Guillard
Underrated:
Michael Bisping, Nate Marquardt, Danny "Boy" Bennett

matt1way · 01-19-2007, 12:19 PM

OVERRATED= tito, sylvia, riggs

UNDERATED= GSP, penn

sidewindergunnar · 01-19-2007, 12:26 PM

Overated: Joe Riggs..all he talks about is how superier his strikeing game is and how much its evolved, havent seen much yet but everyone still pulls for him. He's way overated.

Underated: Deigo Sanchez, Gsp. Deigo I see alot of potential in, doesent get much credit though. Gsp is the future of the UFC, young, strong, already beat the most dominant fighter in the welterweight division, way too underated.

wilsoan · 01-19-2007, 08:55 PM

overrated= diego, griffin, Kos

underrated = GSP, Diaz, Karo

duke09 · 01-19-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsoan

overrated= diego, griffin, Kos

underrated = GSP, Diaz, Karo

hey bud, welcome to fight forum. hope you enjoy it as much as i do

that said, i was wondering how gsp, the #1 ranked WW in the world and present champ, can be underrated?

wilsoan · 01-19-2007, 09:00 PM

Please forgive my absentmindedness,

I should have mentioned...

Ken Shamrock is, by far, the most over rated fighter I can think of (can't punch to save his life).

Incidentally, I think Thiago Alves has shown alot of potential.
-J.W.

Young_Neil · 01-19-2007, 09:04 PM

i dunno he just FEELS underrated, but maybe he isn't, i just feel like some people don't give him the respect he deserves, i mean he's definitely one of the coolest fighters in mma history awesome mma fighter combined with respectful nice guy = hopefully he'll end up being the best ww champ ever...i think maybe i'm just waiting for xyience commercials, but i don't think they'd have him speaking in them :P

wilsoan · 01-19-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by duke09

hey bud, welcome to fight forum. hope you enjoy it as much as i do

that said, i was wondering how gsp, the #1 ranked WW in the world and present champ, can be underrated?

Back when GSP was largely unkown, I was completely in awe of his skill. I would chuckle to my self (during his early fights) and say out loud, "Damn, he is so good." He seems to be getting the respect he deserves lately, though. However, people who entertain the possiblility of fighters like Diego or Kos beating him seem way off base. People who believe that Kos or Diego would actually challenge Pierre seem completely ignorant of Pierre's past fights. St. Pierre has beat fighters far better than Diego in a completely one-sided fashion (e.g. Trigg, Sherk). Simply put, I consider GSP to be unrated until he is widely considered the best P4P fighter in the world. P.S. I don't strongly disagree with those who think Penn is the best -Penn is a very gifted athelete indeed.

Thanks for the reply,
J.W.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 01-19-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsoan

Please forgive my absentmindedness,

I should have mentioned...

Ken Shamrock is, by far, the most over rated fighter I can think of (can't punch to save his life).

Incidentally, I think Thiago Alves has shown alot of potential.
-J.W.

ok obviously u dont know WHAT THE FUK YOUR TALKIN ABOUT that being said he beat kimo twice once by knock out not tko but ko and kimo is huge he got a draw with the best bjj in the world all ur ignorant mind has seen is his new fights cuz hes old he was a great fighter but tito and rich were much to young for his old age.

wilsoan · 01-19-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

ok obviously u dont know WHAT THE FUK YOUR TALKIN ABOUT that being said he beat kimo twice once by knock out not tko but ko and kimo is huge he got a draw with the best bjj in the world all ur ignorant mind has seen is his new fights cuz hes old he was a great fighter but tito and rich were much to young for his old age.

I never respected Kimo or thought much of him and neither have most people. -you silly ******!

Ninjabot · 01-19-2007, 10:01 PM

Overrated: McDonald

Underrated: Karo

riversideblues · 01-19-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

ok obviously u dont know WHAT THE FUK YOUR TALKIN ABOUT that being said he beat kimo twice once by knock out not tko but ko and kimo is huge he got a draw with the best bjj in the world all ur ignorant mind has seen is his new fights cuz hes old he was a great fighter but tito and rich were much to young for his old age.

i think it's that he's too stupid and only trained things he was good at rather than improve what he lacked (ground skills)