Overated/Underrated

FedorFan · 02-02-2007, 12:18 AM

A lot to reply to, I probably won't cover everything I want to say but thats the breaks. I'll just go through all the weight classes and hopefully get most of it.

Overrated:

HW-Vera. Only because he hasnt really been tested. For a while a lot of people were hailing him the next king of the HW division and saying he would plow through Silvia. He did look good against A. Silva. Then he beat an obviously once gifted athlete in Frank Mir. He should in the least have to fight AA before he gets a title shot, and see if he can slug it out with Cabbage like everyone else. Silvia is championship material, he knows how to win, he knows how to overcome adversity, he knows how to play his strengths. He is a champ, love him or hate him. I think Silvia would take care of vera quick until Vera gets some more experience, then it could be a good fight because Vera is very talented.

LHW-*sigh* Probably Tito like a lot of people said already. Tito is far and away one of my favorite fighters and I will always believe he can win. And he is such a tough case because he has been phenomenal. He has beaten some really good fighters and he has deserved the praise he has gotten. I think a lot of it has gone to his head though. Confidence is one thing, but cockiness isn't. He needs to learn some humility and I really hope Chuck has taught him. Ken Shamrock had the same problem and we all see how he turned out in the end. I don't want that to happen to Tito.

MW-I really don't think the UFC carries an overrated MW. Some are saying Franklin. I think a lot of people are dogging Franklin due to his recent loss to A. Silva. Franklin just wasn't ready. Thats it. Franklin had to fight some really really good fights to get the belt. And until Silva came along everyone believed he was a beast and he was and still is. Some are saying the champ Silva. because he hasn't done much in the UFC and because his Pride record wasn't impressive. But Silva is an amazing fighter. He has learned from his losses, and he beat good fighters that just didn't do their homework. That shouldn't make him any less of a fighter, only a good one.

WW-Its gotta be Joe Riggs. I'm also guilty of buying into the hype. He just hasn't lived up to it at all and he has been given many chances. He definitely has talent, and he obviously trains hard. He just doesn't seem made for the UFC. The UFC has released much better fighters than him.

LW-Sherk. I think Sherk is a great fighter, but the UFC and some other notable MMA promoters are giving him way more credit than he deserves for being the LW champion. I'm not saying he isn't good, but the UFC carries a lot better fighters in the LW division than him. Its only a matter of time before he loses that belt.

Underrated:

HW-Timmy. He gets dogged so much despite winning. He has been beat down, left for dead, lost his belt, and came back strong many times. He has a strong chin and a strong will to improve. People think that him being afraid to lose his belt is a bad thing. I don't think it is. I think it helps his drive to train and win. Yes we all want great and exciting fights. But ultimately the objective when any fighter steps into the cage is to win. You can't hate a man for that

LHW-Babalu.A 10 fight winning streak before he fought Chuck again. Come on. Yea Chuck has his number. Chuck is the champ. Chuck is a great champ, he knows how to win. So Babalu isn't the number one fighter in the UFC. He is still one of the best.

MW-Mike Swick. Swick finishes. He finishes quick, and in very impressive fashion. He hasn't been shaken at all when taken out of his comfort zone. Has great takedown defense. He is very humble. Reminds me of a young Chuck. Obviously great qualities to have. People kept giving Rashad a lot of praise because he wasn't losing, but he was never finishing until recently.

WW-Far and away Karo takes the cake. Probably the most underrated fighter period. yes he had a couple tough losses, but both were great fights against great fighters. He went to decision both times. Karo deserves tougher opponents. I love watching him fight.

LW-I think a lot of LW fighters are underrated because Sherk gets the spotlight. I think a lot of people will be impressed in this next TUF when they see the kind of competition Sherk has out there. Pulver, Kenflo, Huerta, Guillard, The King, Franca to name a few. But my pick is going to be out of the box a little. DIn Thomas. Due to the UFC losing the LW division for a while he had to move up, but he belongs at LW and I think he could be a top LW contender. And maybe future champ is he keeps training hard. 3 time WEF LW champ! He knows how to win.

Well theres my 50 cents haha

RockemSockem · 02-02-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

Why does everyone hate bisping? someone please explain this
i cant understand

I don't hate Bisping at all, he seems like a pretty cool guy. However, he is untested and even to say he'd handle the likes of Forrest, Jardine and Rashad is a little much because he hasn't faced anyone even close to that level. The competition on TUF 3 in his weightclass was mainly there to showcase him and possibly Hamill if he could addapt.

He could very well be the next big thing, but he's shown he still has a lot of holes in his game, and that was against mediocre opponents. I hear people talk about him having the best chance against Chuck, and that's rediculous. He's shown me nothing that leads me to believe he could get past the top 5-7. The kid needs more time to develop.

Bomber · 02-02-2007, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RockemSockem

I don't hate Bisping at all, he seems like a pretty cool guy. However, he is untested and even to say he'd handle the likes of Forrest, Jardine and Rashad is a little much because he hasn't faced anyone even close to that level. The competition on TUF 3 in his weightclass was mainly there to showcase him and possibly Hamill if he could addapt.

He could very well be the next big thing, but he's shown he still has a lot of holes in his game, and that was against mediocre opponents. I hear people talk about him having the best chance against Chuck, and that's rediculous. He's shown me nothing that leads me to believe he could get past the top 5-7. The kid needs more time to develop.

Ditto, good post.

MillerLite · 02-02-2007, 12:58 AM

Overated :

-Travis Lutter
- Rashad Evans
- Jackson Rampage
-Michael Bisping
-Josh Koschek

Underrated :

- Diego Sanchez
- Karo Pyrisian

Fighters with promising future :

- Diego Sanchez
- Mike Swick (maybe)

Fighters whose winning streaks will come to a halt when faced a decent, high caliber fighter :

- Rashad Evans
- Michael Bisping
- Melvin Guillard

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 02-02-2007, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RockemSockem

I don't hate Bisping at all, he seems like a pretty cool guy. However, he is untested and even to say he'd handle the likes of Forrest, Jardine and Rashad is a little much because he hasn't faced anyone even close to that level. The competition on TUF 3 in his weightclass was mainly there to showcase him and possibly Hamill if he could addapt.

He could very well be the next big thing, but he's shown he still has a lot of holes in his game, and that was against mediocre opponents. I hear people talk about him having the best chance against Chuck, and that's rediculous. He's shown me nothing that leads me to believe he could get past the top 5-7. The kid needs more time to develop.

ya he aint able to compete with chuck but i think he would do good against griffin and some bigger oppponents

RockemSockem · 02-02-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

ya he aint able to compete with chuck but i think he would do good against griffin and some bigger oppponents

Imo Griffin is the highest opponent i'd say i think Bisping can hang with, but i think Forrest would grind out a decision without much trouble, if not get the stoppage.

omegamale · 02-02-2007, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RockemSockem

I don't hate Bisping at all, he seems like a pretty cool guy. However, he is untested and even to say he'd handle the likes of Forrest, Jardine and Rashad is a little much because he hasn't faced anyone even close to that level. The competition on TUF 3 in his weightclass was mainly there to showcase him and possibly Hamill if he could addapt.

He could very well be the next big thing, but he's shown he still has a lot of holes in his game, and that was against mediocre opponents. I hear people talk about him having the best chance against Chuck, and that's rediculous. He's shown me nothing that leads me to believe he could get past the top 5-7. The kid needs more time to develop.

that pretty much covers it. bisbing was 1 of my favorates on the show but i dont see were he did anything to make people believe he has the best chance against chuck. hes even more untested than rashad but he gets praised. i think hamil would have even won the show if he wouldnt have gotten hurt.

Gooner · 02-02-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MillerLite

Overated :

-Travis Lutter
- Rashad Evans
- Jackson Rampage
-Michael Bisping
-Josh Koschek

Underrated :

- Diego Sanchez
- Karo Pyrisian

You better hope Diego really pwns Kos in their upcoming fight then. He's already ranked way above Kos, and yet he's underrated?
I think it's gonna be a close fight. Their first fight was no walk in the park for Diego either, and Kos was a total n00b back then. Unlike Diego.

Remains to be seen.

KRONOS · 02-02-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

You better hope Diego really pwns Kos in their upcoming fight then. He's already ranked way above Kos, and yet he's underrated?
I think it's gonna be a close fight. Their first fight was no walk in the park for Diego either, and Kos was a total n00b back then. Unlike Diego.

Remains to be seen.

I hope Sanchez bashes Kos's face in!!!

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 02-02-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KRONOS

I hope Sanchez bashes Kos's face in!!!

i hope the exact opposite

Hemdoz · 02-02-2007, 05:43 PM

Overrated tito ortiz, chuck liddell

underrated jardine

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 02-02-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hemdoz

Overrated tito ortiz, chuck liddell

underrated jardine

chuck aint overrated i think wanderlei silva is

BCguy · 02-02-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

chuck aint overrated i think wanderlei silva is

31-6-1 with 21 knockouts , yeah seems overrated to me .....if i was rolling my eyes anymore they would roll out of my head.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 02-02-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BCguy

31-6-1 with 21 knockouts , yeah seems overrated to me .....if i was rolling my eyes anymore they would roll out of my head.

20 and 3 with a but load of knockouts
cmon now please boy

BCguy · 02-02-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

20 and 3 with a but load of knockouts
cmon now please boy

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...?fighterID=209

care to show me where it says 20-3 ? unless you're quoting chucks stats there. And please dont call me boy.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 02-02-2007, 07:14 PM

im talkin about chuck bro

BCguy · 02-02-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

im talkin about chuck bro

thats fine ... but you're the one who said silva is overrated , im just disagreeing with you.

Hemdoz · 02-02-2007, 07:20 PM

wanderlei is not overrated

w49_boarding · 02-02-2007, 07:38 PM

Overrated: Tito Ortiz- He is still a really good LHW just not as good as people place him.

Sanchez-He is incredibly overrated He doesn't have any chance to be title holder. He may progress, but right now he doesn't have it in him.

UNDERRATED- Karo- Watching him fight is exciting and so technical. His judo is spot on and is rarely ever stalling, and lots of heart.

BCguy · 02-02-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by w49_boarding

Overrated: Tito Ortiz- He is still a really good LHW just not as good as people place him.

Sanchez-He is incredibly overrated He doesn't have any chance to be title holder. He may progress, but right now he doesn't have it in him.

UNDERRATED- Karo- Watching him fight is exciting and so technical. His judo is spot on and is rarely ever stalling, and lots of heart.

you have Karo Underrated and Sanchez over rated ? Didnt sanchez beat Karo ? I believe i remember some teeth getting knoced out in that one aswell.