Crashsti

i recently read an article in Black Belt Magazine that asked the question, Where is the Budo in MMA? now for anyone who knows the sport there is more respect in MMA than most would think. the author who penned the article claimed that MMA fighters lacked respect both in the gym and in the cage, with the exception being the brief post fight hug or shake of hands. mostly the article cited the prefight "hype" necessary to drive interest in the PPV buys. i don't know what you all think but i say that there is alot of respect in MMA, but its earned through actions and not just by some belt a guy is wearing.

AikaImmortal

MMA fighters are some of the nicest guys I know.. some of the TMA guys who talk about chi as if it were real are elitist a-holes.

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MTKrav911

I totally agree. Every event I've gone to where I or my wife, or sister, etc asked a fighter for a photo, autograph, etc. were all very respectful and carried themselves well as martial artists.

What I hate about these traditionalists kinda like what Aika said, is they're elitists. They know that the cat is out of the bag that most of the TMA techniques, moves etc are bogus and have been for the most part exposed as being ineffective in real fighting that MMA displays.

I personally think, that many Traditional Martial Arts schools do a huge dis-service to their students by over-hyping their style and giving a false sense of confidence in their technique to some of their advanced students. THere are very good Traditional Schools on the other hand that I've seen, where the owner/instructors have legitimately cross trained into MMA so that they can have a more realistic curriculum to offer their students. I've seen good programs such as MasterClass Grappling (a BJJ program suited to incorporate BJJ into traditinal martial arts programs), etc, that do a wonderful job of maintaining the traditional systems, but offer also MMA based fighting techniques.

Good find Crash. I hate garbage like that.

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Daniel

There absolutely is a lack of respect with some fighters. They're there to fight, like a street fight type thing...I don't understand that mentality. I've always considered street fighting to be an embarrassing exchange of amateur movements in which one person wins by being less of an amateur than the other. So many fighters talk about winning street fights as if it's some kind of feat. I would expect anybody with as much boxing experience as Sitnspin or Krav to annihilate your average street tough that has never had an hour of training and smokes a pack of cigarettes a day. It is simply not impressive to beat up people that don't know how to fight, yet how many fighters like to talk about their street fighting experience on the TUF show?

Those guys are a dieing breed, though. Guys like Rich Franklin, Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell, Cro Cop, Couture, St.Pierre, Hughes, Sherk...guys that have had belts, top level competitors- they respect their opponents and they show that respect. The only champion level fighter that I can remember involving themselves in name calling is Matt Serra. But his feud with Hughes may be one of the most authentic feuds in MMA. You can tell by the way those guys are, they can both be respectable, good people but it doesn't matter, they could meet in a thousand different ways in a thousand different lives as a thousand different people and they would never get along.

That article in Black Belt magazine may just be another case of MMAists being knocked by TDMists. That seems to happen back and forth all the time, and I find it redundant. Comparing a UFC fighter to say.. a Karate black belt, is like comparing a Nascar racer to a rally racer.

vegas mma

i see nothing but respect from each fighter.

of course there is pre ppv hype, nothing will sell with just advertisements.
even movies use hype to sell their movies

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vegas mma

ok first off did you really just say hughes is respectful towards other fighters.

also i am not a nascar fan, but you are not respecting nascar drivers in that statement.
a lot of misinformed people think that nascar is nothing but rednecks driving around in circles. they have no idea how much talent it take to do. different tracks need different suspension setups, different tire choices.
i mean all that rally racers do is drive fast in the dirt, how hard is that

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MTKrav911

I use the NASCAR analogy to describe MMA/The UFC. I'm not a NASCAR fan but friends say what I say about it. THey all say that once you actually attend a live NASCAR event, you're hooked for life because it's so fan friendly.

I say the same about MMA. Once you go to a UFC/MMA event? You're a fan for life.

Daniel

Is that all rally racers do or is that your personal opinion? Maybe a lot of misinformed people think rally racing is just a bunch of idiots driving fast in the dirt..? Lol, jk. I'll take your word for it.

Who knows. I have no licence and have never driven a car and don't ever intend to. Why would I even use racing for my analogy? Who knows, I have no interest in the sport and no knowledge of the talent involved and no educated opinion on the matter, I was simply bringing up two things that were different. Two different types of racing, two different types of skiing, mountain biking and BMXing, whatever...I was only trying to stress that MMA and TMA are very different from one another, I don't think they should be compared.

AikaImmortal

Yeah, Rally racing is much more skill intensive and demanding than NASCAR (I drive in a paved circle daily, its called a cloverleaf exchange.. does that make me an athlete?) but I will leave it at that.

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vegas mma

i was making a joke about rally racers just driving on dirt
kinda like how i said nascar drivers only drive around in circles.

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SeikanJudanski

You mean the the five point palm-exploding heart technique is not real?

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sitnspin

I think there are pro MMA fighters who act like knobs and talk about how all they care about is hurting the other guy, and who showboat needlessly when they win. But contrary to the article that Crashsti's talking about, those guys are in the minority. Look at some of those three round all-out wars at 155 that we've seen in the past few months. The harder they fought, the more friendly respect they showed each other. And when the fights are over, they basically celebrate together, congratulating each other on being part of such an epic battle. I loved Steve Mazagatti's comment to Edgar and Griffin at the end of their fight. "Gentlemen, it's been an honor."

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Harms

Reminds me of the Crocop interview during the OWGP when he said he doesn't like Wandy cause Wandy doesn't talk to other fighters and whatnot. Of course, there are always going to be fighters that other fighters don't like, but I have the feeling that most of the fighters have a great respect for one another and get along fine behind the scenes.

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sitnspin

Yeah, Joe Riggs said that no matter how bloody and brutal the wars are in the cage, everyone in the UFC is cool to each other everywhere else -- except Nick Diaz, who pretty much hates everyone (this was a while ago -- right after they fought).

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Crashsti

not to beat a dead horse but Rally racing is about alot more than just dirt. while alot of rallys take place on dirt, they also take place on snow and sand. some rallys also take place on regular roads, going right through the centers of towns. some places still close off regular roads so the rally's can take place. Rally driving is the MMA of auto racing, these guys have to know how to drive on a variety of surfaces even over the course of one stage during a race.

vegas mma

crash i was making a joke.

in my first post i said people think that nascar drivers just drive around in circles. then i went on to say they do more then that.
at the end of the post i said rally racers only drive fast in the dirt.

this is a mma forum, so i don't know how everyone feels about racing and cars, but i know you crashed your sti so i'll say it.

people who are into road racing or rally always say that drag racing and circle track racing is not real racing.
drag racers only have to hit the gas and drive in a straight line for a few secs.
circle track racers only have to turn left.
so when he compared mma to tma being like rally and nascar i felt it was cause he thinks nascar drivers only have to turn left.
i made a sarcastic statement about rally drivers only driving fast on dirt.
i know about rallys, i've watched it on tv. hell i was going to compete in a rally cross put on by the las vegas scca. it got rained out.

so once again
I WAS MAKING A JOKE

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