Spider-Man 3 (Possible spoilers within)

subgenius · 05-07-2007, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HaVoK

I loved the first Spider-Man and I thought the second one was decent, but this one was just horrid to me. I love Sam Raimi, but this movie was just way too long. If they could have just focused more on the "evil" peter and venom it wouldn't have seemed so jumbled. The acting was pretty horrible as well. I'm not one to bash movies either.

So many people that I talk with and that are movie fans have disagreed with what you said. Most, like me, could not get enough. The audience in the theater the two times that I have seen the film were cheering and clapping all throughout this film. I went with a group of university students and they went crazy for the movie. And, Spider-man 3 has already shattered opening weekend records (set by Spider-man 1).

Like I said, it's all subjective. Some people just do not like super-hero films. Some people hate special effects films. But, it seems that the mojority of movie goers have spoken at the box office.

Personally, I did not see much of a chance for Spider-man 3, if all it had was Venom. It would have ruined the trilogy to do that, especially given how much build up they did for the Harry Osborne (Hobgoblin) character. I loved it that the only true villian in the film was Venom and Eddie Brock. The dynamic nature of Sandman and Hobgoblin is what made the film work so well, IMO.

MTKrav911 · 05-07-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

So many people that I talk with and that are movie fans have disagreed with what you said. Most, like me, could not get enough. The audience in the theater the two times that I have seen the film were cheering and clapping all throughout this film. I went with a group of university students and they went crazy for the movie. And, Spider-man 3 has already shattered opening weekend records (set by Spider-man 1).

Like I said, it's all subjective. Some people just do not like super-hero films. Some people hate special effects films. But, it seems that the mojority of movie goers have spoken at the box office.

Personally, I did not see much of a chance for Spider-man 3, if all it had was Venom. It would have ruined the trilogy to do that, especially given how much build up they did for the Harry Osborne (Hobgoblin) character. I loved it that the only true villian in the film was Venom and Eddie Brock. The dynamic nature of Sandman and Hobgoblin is what made the film work so well, IMO.

Just wait until J-Lo is Wonderwoman next summer.

subgenius · 05-07-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Just wait until J-Lo is Wonderwoman next summer.

That will do as well as Halle Berry as Catwoman, LOL. A lot of peeps liked Catwoman, but I really hated it. Wonderwoman better have something that zings or it will flop.

MTKrav911 · 05-07-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

That will do as well as Halle Berry as Catwoman, LOL. A lot of peeps liked Catwoman, but I really hated it. Wonderwoman better have something that zings or it will flop.

I just can't see how they're gonna make J-Lo be in an Invisible Jet!

:0)

Corey · 05-07-2007, 08:22 PM

I thought it was pretty good. I think you guys are being overly critical. Mildly entertaining. I have to say though, I dont know where they were going with the dancing parts. THOSE were horrid. The jazz club scene made me cringe.

subgenius · 05-07-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Corey

I thought it was pretty good. I think you guys are being overly critical. Mildly entertaining. I have to say though, I dont know where they were going with the dancing parts. THOSE were horrid. The jazz club scene made me cringe.

I think that with MJ singing at the theater and then the dance thing at the jazz club was for the ladies, so to speak. I did not think much of those scenes either. My girlfriend loved them, so go figure. She also loved the scene with MJ and Osborne doing the Twist dance. It was okay for romantic interest.

The walking scenes were a mirror of Spider-man 2 when he lost his powers briefly and went through that finding himself stuff. In S2, the walking scene had Parker in white. In S3, they had him in all black. I thought that it was interesting.

HaVoK · 05-07-2007, 09:53 PM

Maybe sitting a theater with a bunch of kids going crazy made the movie seem shorter to you, but the pacing of the movie was completely off. The Harry losing his father's death memory and then getting it back was laughable, and it was just way too predictable. This is yet another opinion from someone who isn't a movie basher.

foote · 05-07-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

So many people that I talk with and that are movie fans have disagreed with what you said. Most, like me, could not get enough. The audience in the theater the two times that I have seen the film were cheering and clapping all throughout this film. I went with a group of university students and they went crazy for the movie. And, Spider-man 3 has already shattered opening weekend records (set by Spider-man 1).

Like I said, it's all subjective. Some people just do not like super-hero films. Some people hate special effects films. But, it seems that the mojority of movie goers have spoken at the box office.

Personally, I did not see much of a chance for Spider-man 3, if all it had was Venom. It would have ruined the trilogy to do that, especially given how much build up they did for the Harry Osborne (Hobgoblin) character. I loved it that the only true villian in the film was Venom and Eddie Brock. The dynamic nature of Sandman and Hobgoblin is what made the film work so well, IMO.

i thought that the hobgoblin is Roderick Kingsley

heres a whole article on the hobgoblin lol nerd alert Hobgoblin (comics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but anyways i didn't like the emo spiderman. the movie wasn't that bad i actually liked it apart from when he was walking down the street

subgenius · 05-07-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by foote

i thought that the hobgoblin is Roderick Kingsley

heres a whole article on the hobgoblin lol nerd alert Hobgoblin (comics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but anyways i didn't like the emo spiderman. the movie wasn't that bad i actually liked it apart from when he was walking down the street

LOL. I just like to call him Hobgoblin. I do not expect them to make a Spider-man film with the real Hobgoblin. It just seems to me that they decided to merge the Goblin-Hobgoblin idea in the movie genre Spider-man. Marvel has too many universes.

The walking down the street thing was odd in both Spider-man 2 and 3. And, I think that they went emo in order to make you (all of us) hate that "evil" Peter Parker (Spider-man). It made me think that way.

MTKrav911 · 05-07-2007, 10:34 PM

Like I said, the only part I liked was the Bad Guy spider-man part.

Tobey MGwire did a good job playing a borderline psycho-path and I'm impressed how a nerdy type lookin actor transitioned into a complete bad guy when Spider-Man switched.

I think Tobey could do well as a sinister type character in other types of movies.

A good actor. I was impressed.

Just not with the movie as a whole

If we had known he had that side, I'd have preferred him to be Anakin Skywalker than that retard they cast Hayden Christenson nutz who couldnt act.

Then again, Tobey MGwire was probably too young when they were casting for evil Anakin

subgenius · 05-07-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HaVoK

Maybe sitting a theater with a bunch of kids going crazy made the movie seem shorter to you, but the pacing of the movie was completely off. The Harry losing his father's death memory and then getting it back was laughable, and it was just way too predictable. This is yet another opinion from someone who isn't a movie basher.

I went to the showings in the morning today without any kids there (they were in school). It was nearly sold out at 10 AM on a Monday morning! It was my second viewing. The movie, IMO, flowed very smoothly and very quickly. I did not notice the time fly by and wanted the movie to continue when it ended.

I hate using words like pacing, flow, and smoothly when it comes to talking about movies. They seem to mean diferent things to different people. Also, when people say that a film is predictable that is not a bad thing from the filmmaker POV. For most people that is what they want; known as audience expectations. All movies follow a rather simple and basic formula. That is what you are sensing.

Not everyone is in tune with that sense of formula. Hollywood films, like the Spider-man series, tend to follow the formula more openly and blatantly. The Indy films tend to experiment more with that formula, but they still follow the spirit or essential theory of the formula on most levels.

Film has a language, or so my theory instructors liked to say so often. Each film has it's own visual langauage. The editing has a lot of impact on the language or semantics of the film. If you see a character in one scene talk about wanting coffee, and they they cut to the next scene with a fully brewed pot of coffee, then the viewer will assume that the character(s) made a pot of coffee. It is not percieved as an act of magic.

Sorry for the long diatribe. I'm a screenwriter (ametuer) and student of film.

subgenius · 05-07-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Like I said, the only part I liked was the Bad Guy spider-man part.

Tobey MGwire did a good job playing a borderline psycho-path and I'm impressed how a nerdy type lookin actor transitioned into a complete bad guy when Spider-Man switched.

I think Tobey could do well as a sinister type character in other types of movies.

A good actor. I was impressed.

Just not with the movie as a whole

If we had known he had that side, I'd have preferred him to be Anakin Skywalker than that retard they cast Hayden Christenson nutz who couldnt act.

Then again, Tobey MGwire was probably too young when they were casting for evil Anakin

I agree with you on that Anakin Skywalker thang. Hayden Christensen did not look or act the part of that character very well. I do not know why they cast him in that. I hated the little kid in The Phantom Menace even worse.

Toby Maguire did a great job in all three Spider-man films. And I am glad they allowed him a wide range of story material to work with.

MTKrav911 · 05-07-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I agree with you on that Anakin Skywalker thang. Hayden Christensen did not look or act the part of that character very well. I do not know why they cast him in that. I hated the little kid in The Phantom Menace even worse.

Toby Maguire did a great job in all three Spider-man films. And I am glad they allowed him a wide range of story material to work with.

Yeah, that kid in Phantom Menace sucked too.

I think George Lucas tried to do the Pre-Quel on the cheap acting wise, which was a bad move with the $$$ and resources he has at his disposal.

I mean how much better would the potential Darth Vader had been had an established actor been Anakin?

subgenius · 05-07-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Yeah, that kid in Phantom Menace sucked too.

I think George Lucas tried to do the Pre-Quel on the cheap acting wise, which was a bad move with the $$$ and resources he has at his disposal.

I mean how much better would the potential Darth Vader had been had an established actor been Anakin?

I know we are running off on a tangent, but I agree 100%. There were probably 10 or 20 other actors that could have been a better Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader) character. It pissed me off in Ep1 when they had Anakin as a really young little kid. I hated the way that played into Ep2 and the affair with Padme. It was like Anakin grew from age 7 or 8 to age 22 or 25 and the whole time Padme never aged. I kept thinking "WTF?" Lucas really dropped the ball, but he made like a billion dollars in the process.