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07-08-2007, 09:01 AM
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Tito VS Rashad
Another lackluster fight for UFC 73. Rashad looked very tentative. The point that was taken away killed Tito because he definetly won the fight. I was amazed to see Rashad acting disappointed that he lost at the end because he felt he won the fight.
Overall this fight did not live up to it's hype.
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07-08-2007, 10:46 AM
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How often recently has a Tito fight truely lived up to the hype? Honestly? The Tito/Forrest fight was pretty awesome, but aside from that, when has Tito really brought it (and he only really brought it for 1st round in that fight). The two Chuck/Tito fights were awesome (for me anyway), but that had absolutely nothing to do with Tito's performance and more to do with the pleasure of watching him gettting punched in the face - they certainly weren't the "wars" they were hyped up to be. The fact of the matter is that Tito is much better at hyping fights and talking junk than he is at putting on a great show in the octagon.
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07-08-2007, 11:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti-Sanchez
Another lackluster fight for UFC 73. Rashad looked very tentative. The point that was taken away killed Tito because he definetly won the fight. I was amazed to see Rashad acting disappointed that he lost at the end because he felt he won the fight.
Overall this fight did not live up to it's hype.
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Well, for one thing, Rashad didnt lose the match. Ya, the fight was lackluster but thats usually what you get when you match two people with really similar styles and who does it well. There will be another fight between them Im sure. I honestly think that if Rashad hadnt been so tenative in the first two rounds, he would have gotten a decision or possibly stopped it on the ground. Tito isnt used to being on his back and we saw that shortly after he was taken down.
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07-08-2007, 12:24 PM
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Rashad Evan's post fight comments??
You know I am taking into consideration that he hadn't watched his performance yet but man he came off real bad in the post fight interview. The way I scored the fight I would say that the draw was exceptable at best but to say Rashad won...........NO WAY. If it were me I would have gave it to Tito but I don't have a problem with the draw because with the penalty point it made it close. Now for Rashad to say "all you did was lay on me". COME ON!!! That is all Rashad used to do in his early fights. Now I did hear him say that he won by the same rules but generally he came off bad to me. I was actually starting to like the guy but damn. Thoughts?
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07-08-2007, 12:37 PM
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i agree with what rashad said after the fight tito really wasnt doing much from the top position and rashad was getting his hands off more then tito was, im looking forward to a rematch
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07-08-2007, 12:40 PM
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Rashad will definitely win the rematch. He proved to me that he has better striking and wrestling than Tito, being tentative is the only thing that prevented him from winning the fight. This cautious style of fighting is becoming more common among some fighters, makes the fights frustrating to watch.
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07-08-2007, 12:41 PM
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I chalked that up to adreneline and being pumped up after the fight. From his POV, Tito was bleeding and looked the worse for wear between the two of them. But, I think Tito won that fight sans his idiotic fence-grabbing.
Also, Rashad might have been thinking "rematch" the same as Tito was thinking. So, hype it up as much as you can, Rashad.
PS: Thank you, Dana (er, I mean SitNSpin) for listing to me bitch about refs allowing rules to be broken. That point off said a lot. I hope other fighters were listening.
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07-08-2007, 12:42 PM
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Rashad did nothing in the whole fight. He waited and waited and... waited. Tito lost because of the deducted point. He pushed the pace in the first two rounds and was, overall, better on the octagon. People can talk about lackluster and all that, but bottom-line is that Tito followed his game plane, attempted take downs all the time, and got a draw only because of the deduction. If people want to talk about a lackluster performance, please talk about Evans's, not Tito's.
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07-08-2007, 12:42 PM
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definetly the worst fight of the night
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07-08-2007, 12:44 PM
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I was truly a lackluter fight, i agree.
What it did show was that when two wrestlers meet it will eventually end up with a bunch of stuffed take downs and the ref standing them up for the lack of action.
Tito would shoot but Rashad knew what he would try to do and stopped it or controlled it pretty well.
The stand up was pretty even as well (with Rashad winning slightly by my count).
I am not a fan of draws but in this fight i seemed appropriate, a second fight in definately on and i am pretty sure Rashad will win it.
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07-08-2007, 12:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StratTone
You know I am taking into consideration that he hadn't watched his performance yet but man he came off real bad in the post fight interview. The way I scored the fight I would say that the draw was exceptable at best but to say Rashad won...........NO WAY. If it were me I would have gave it to Tito but I don't have a problem with the draw because with the penalty point it made it close. Now for Rashad to say "all you did was lay on me". COME ON!!! That is all Rashad used to do in his early fights. Now I did hear him say that he won by the same rules but generally he came off bad to me. I was actually starting to like the guy but damn. Thoughts?
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At the end of the interview he actually said that he's used the same tactics in the past to get wins so he shouldn't really complain. I think he was more pumped up about the fact that he didn't do enough and feels he could have won that fight. I'd have to agree with him.
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07-08-2007, 01:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti-Sanchez
Another lackluster fight for UFC 73. Rashad looked very tentative. The point that was taken away killed Tito because he definetly won the fight. I was amazed to see Rashad acting disappointed that he lost at the end because he felt he won the fight.
Overall this fight did not live up to it's hype.
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There's a very real possibility that if Tito hadn't grabbed the fence four times to prevent slams and takedowns, hadn't held onto Rashad's shorts a few times for dear life, and hadn't kneed Rashad in the sac, that he would have lost. A draw was the best decision, neither did enough to win, but Tito should have had a DQ for being a cheating rat bastard.
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07-08-2007, 01:11 PM
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I hope we don't see a rematch between these two. They both looked so un-impressive that I need a vacation from both of these fighters for about 8 months.
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07-08-2007, 01:12 PM
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I didn't like this fight too much, but I guess this is what happens to two guys who are pretty evenly matched and have the same fighting style. Tito's very strong and managed to control Rashad in the clinch, and he also was able to take him down (kinda, as Rashad wasn't really down on his back). But Rashad was able to defend very well and stopped Tito from doing much damage.
I'm getting more and more critical of Rashad's takedown defense. It just seems like he goes down pretty easily, at least in his last two fights. I know Salmon is a great wrestler and better than Rashad, so that's why he got him down. But Tito was pretty successful getting them too, especially the first one. Hmmm.... I dunno, either Rashad's sprawl needs work, or it's just that both opponents were good wrestlers.
Rashad I think could've won the fight if he was more aggressive. That's one thing I don't like about Rashad; he's too passive at times, and this time he let the fight slip away by throwing punches from too far away, and not engaging much. We all saw how good of a chance he had at the end of the fight when he got Tito on his back. If Rashad had done that earlier, and done more striking at close distance I think he would've won the fight.
As for the draw decision, it was justified. Tito won round 1, Rashad won round 3. In round 2 (and throughout the whole fight) Tito prevented the TDs by holding the fence, so the point taken was a good call. We don't see this happen too much, but Tito was holding waaayy too much.
Overall, close fight. I'm not sure if I want a rematch. I do, but not if they're both going to fight like this.
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07-08-2007, 01:15 PM
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I thought Tito dominated most of the fight. After seeing them fight, it just looks like Tito is a little bit better at everything than Rashad.
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07-08-2007, 01:22 PM
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Merged stratone's thread into this seeing how it was about the same fight and a thread was already started.
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07-08-2007, 01:29 PM
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One thing that has surprised me about Tito, and I have started noticing this in his last few non-Shamrock fights, is that his cardio really falters in the later rounds. I honestly think he got a draw in this match purely based on his first round and intimidation. Tito is over-the-hill and out of shape. His glory days are behind him.
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07-08-2007, 01:32 PM
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This fight was pretty boring in my opinion, tito just had rashad up against the cage but nothin was really happening, then when tito held the cage to avoid being taken down that changed the fight. Tito lost a point and rashad could have been on top and something might have happened. When rashad got that takedown at the end i new it was gonna be a draw
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07-08-2007, 01:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by earvinarp
Rashad did nothing in the whole fight. He waited and waited and... waited. Tito lost because of the deducted point. He pushed the pace in the first two rounds and was, overall, better on the octagon. People can talk about lackluster and all that, but bottom-line is that Tito followed his game plane, attempted take downs all the time, and got a draw only because of the deduction. If people want to talk about a lackluster performance, please talk about Evans's, not Tito's.
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Well, as we know, he didn't lose.
But without those fouls (and the deducted point) perhaps Rashad could have taken that second round 10-9 and thus won? Who knows. Maybe Tito saved himself from a loss by breaking the rules?
That said, I was disappointed how careful Rashad was. Even in the third round.
I was screaming at him to let his hands go, because Tito looked tired.
I agree with Saskabush that Rashad will win the rematch. All he has to do is be more aggressive. I'm just disappointed that Tito's gonna have yet another rematch.
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07-08-2007, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jras0001
Well, for one thing, Rashad didnt lose the match. Ya, the fight was lackluster but thats usually what you get when you match two people with really similar styles and who does it well. There will be another fight between them Im sure. I honestly think that if Rashad hadnt been so tenative in the first two rounds, he would have gotten a decision or possibly stopped it on the ground. Tito isnt used to being on his back and we saw that shortly after he was taken down.
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tito was taken down with TEN SECONDS LEFT IN THE FIGHT... the ENTIRE fight up until then rashad did absolutely nothing at all... some people hate tito and like rashad, but all rashad is, is a poor mans tito... he should be THRILLED he stole a draw in that fight.... and very happy he won the 3rd round based on 1 takedown with 10 seconds left....
i feel robbed on my tito bet
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