Originally Posted by thepsycho

he got a point for something many fighters have done,it was good to see them put a stop to it though. tito did not just win the standup. he by far out wrestled rashad,i think its you who needs to watch the fight over. as far as shogun goes,i agree if tito fights like he did in that fight imo shogun would destroy him.

Originally Posted by somnus

Put him in our shoes and he can pay $250 for a seat to watch "One of the best fighters in the world" Lay on top of his opponit for one round, hold on to the fence for the second round, and then gas out and pretty much shut it down for the third round. Then on top of that he makes excuses!!

I know I respect what they do for a living and I'm willing to spend my hard earned money to watch them do it.

Calling us "dumb@$$ fans" because we have on opinion after spending our money so they can do what they love and then threatening us over the internet "F-That how about you get in the cage and we'll see what's up" is hardly the bases for a good discussion.

The great thing about what we do is that we're fans and not fighters. We (some of us) don't want to be in their shoes. We get to play Monday morning quarter back, we get to talk ****, we get to say they suck. That's the great thing about it. Without us (the fans) there wouldn't be any UFC and there wouldn't be any quarter of a million dollar pay days for Tito "the LnP queen" Ortiz.

Originally Posted by RockemSockem

Many fighters have done it, but usually not to that extent. He grabbed the fence at least 4 times. He grabbed Rashad's shorts at least twice. And he gave him a nice knee to the groin. Even if he is not doing these things intentionally(to which he said "If you're not cheating, you're not trying"), that needs to be at least a 1 point deduction or the rules become meaningless.

I disagree that Tito outwrestled Rashad. Tito got some takedowns and controlled a good portion of the clinch, but most of that was with his power and size advantage. If Rashad wasn't as good as he is, Tito would have taken him down at will. He stuffed some takedowns and held his own in the clinch where he is significantly smaller. And would have gotten numerous takedowns himself if Tito did not repeatedly cheat. When Tito did get takedowns it would take him 30 seconds to actually get Rashad all the way to his back, if he did at all. Tito did practically no damage once on top. And Rashad got out from under Tito on his own, he did not need standups. That is all because he nuetralized a bigger, stronger opponent with superior wrestling.

Originally Posted by Normo

Did you watch the same fight as everyone else or something? Tito did not win the stand up game...specially not in the 3rd round. Tito took Evans down a few times and did completely nothing, thats LnPing. Tito held onto the cage 3 times because he was scared of getting taken down, if he had got taken down it could of ended in the 2nd round. Tito vs Rashad 2 will be completely different. Rashad will come out fighting in the first round this time and beat Tito on the decision because he wont be scared to fight a big name.

EDIT: Styles dont win fights, game plans and training do. Like Gonzaga owning Crocop on the ground and set him up for the head kick, Serra standing with GSP. Styles fights into some game plans but its normally the plans that win the fight or a lucky shot.

Originally Posted by BossMadOne

Rashad was out matched the first round. Second round Tito decided to loose the point, third round Tito backed off so much that Rashad thought he has "Broken" Tito and started to fight a bit harder. Well, infact Tito had "Broke" but what he did was BREAK off his attack allowing Rashad to win that round.

This "War of Words" BS is nothing more then Tito controlling Rashad and putting him where he wants him, which is back in the Octagon for another pay check. Tito Knows he can beat Rashad so why not fight him again and get a easy win and more money.

Originally Posted by RIPPEN

Yeah Like he did Griffin??? You "huge Tito fans" are diluted.. Tito is so washed up its not even funny.. This is well into the begining of the end for Jacob as I feel he has lost the ability to back up his mouth..

Originally Posted by RockemSockem

Tito did not whoop Rashad standing, i have no idea what fight you were watching. The first two rounds the standup was pretty much dead even, and there's no way you can say Rashad lost the standup in the third round, Tito didn't even throw any punches.

You're right about one thing though, if you can't win a fight when your opponent gets a point taken away then you don't deserve to win. Rashad in no way deserved a win. You know when else you don't deserve to win? When you cheat repeatedly.

I will bet any amount of money that Shogun can and will beat Tito if they fight. You talk about style matchups yet you don't think Shogun's style would dominate Tito's? The ONLY chance i give Tito is that Shogun might not be used to elbows in the cage. But considering his camp and skill set, i doubt it.

Rashad is a great wrestler, Salmon is a better wrestler. In terms of pure wrestling Salmon > Rashad > Tito. Tito was getting takedowns with size and power, not superior wrestling. Salmon did not finish any shots from his knees. He got two takedowns. One was an arm drag(one of the best takedowns i've ever seen in MMA), the other was from a caught mid-kick. If you're going to lecture you need to have your facts straight.

P.S. Hughes fought Pele who has the same exact style as A. Silva. Hughes got KTFO shooting in for a takedown in the first round It's not as simple as not having takedown defense.