Sherk Tests Positive Too!

DirtyChuckRulz! · 07-19-2007, 04:43 PM

i cant believe these guys keep doin this! they have to know they are gonna get caught! seem s like Franca knew it at least. WTF!

fullonshred · 07-19-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LinvilleGorge

STFU or step up to the plate and start naming names of who you suspect. If Nate's natural, then I guess Royce Gracie is too... oh wait...

Gracie is much older and likely used 'roids to recovery from injury. Not to get pumped and shredded. Nate is younger and has a young man's quicker recovery from injury.

But my goodness people get testy (pun intended), when this subject comes up. Could it be 'roid rage?

It is exactly why I never posted about Sherk. People can't take the truth.

Use your eyes and your mind and the obvious guys aren't hard to figure out. You will notice I don't pass judgment on them for doing so. In women's track at a HUGE Meet a few years back the Top Finisher tested positive. When asked why she said "because you have to do it to be competitive because the others are doing it too." She got blasted for telling the truth. But then the silver medalist was awarded gold, and retested. She was also [positive. The bronze medalist was then awarded gold and her sample tested. She was positive as well. I thought it made a compelling argument for the original Gold Medalists point.

I does seem a shame but the only solution is a scorched earth policy where steroid use = ban for life with no appeal. And there is too much money involved for that to happen.

I think Spencer Fisher should have his loss against Franca expunged due to Franca's recent failed screen. It is important to remember that a clean screen doesn't necessarily=Zero steroid use. Although testing is becoming more sophisticated, so too is the science of passing screens.

And calm down guys, or lower the dosage if you find you can't.

fullonshred · 07-19-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

Why more guys don't just use full on HGH which is untestable is beyond me.

It is very expensive, and can seriously enlarge your heart, liver and other organs. It is one reason so many top mass monster bodybuilders have distended guts. Because their organs are getting more massive along with everything else. Not pretty, and not healthy in large doses.

BlingDogg · 07-19-2007, 04:55 PM

I can't say I'm surprised. And I can't say I'm disappointed. What I can say is: let BJ Penn, Joe Stevenson, Spencer Fisher and Kenny Florian fight each other to determine the new champ. IMO these guys are the top 4 (excluding Hermes and Sherk), so they should face each for the LW belt. Hell, even Huerta and Thomas could be included too.

Sherk should most definitely have his title stripped, with a ban and fine. Doesn't make sense these days for fighters to still keep using these illegal substances, so I really don't feel sorry for them when they're caught.

At least Sherk wasn't the poster-boy for the UFC like Liddell or Forrest Griffin, that would be much worse. But, especially after Sherk's last performance(s), I don't think the UFC would lose much if they get rid of him for a while.

AllTrac · 07-19-2007, 04:57 PM

Wow i am shocked, i mean Sherk has always been a huge muscular guy for whatever class he fought in and i admired him for his awesome physical prowess but i don't know now if it was all him or the drugs.

so disappointed.

LW tourney for the belt starting next UFC 77.

fullonshred · 07-19-2007, 05:02 PM

Sherk is still an amazing physical specimen and a dogged hard trainer. Many people could use exactly what he has and experience nowhere near the results he has because they wouldn't have his work ethic. They are an enhancer,not a magic pill that works without hard training, diet and cardio.

HaVoK · 07-19-2007, 05:07 PM

I just can't believe Sherk tested positive. He was becoming one of my favorite fighters just because of his work ethic.

Heatwaves · 07-19-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LinvilleGorge

If they strip his title (which they should), it's definitely tough to figure out who should fight for it. BJ is BJ, but he hasn't fought at LW in a looooong time. Stevenson, the winner of Thomas/Fisher, and KenFlo would all be right there.

And don't forget Huerta.

How cool would a LW tourny of top contenders be?
Bout 1: Thomas/Fisher
Bout 2: BJ/Kenflo
Bout 3: Stevenson/Huerta

H@mmerM@n · 07-19-2007, 05:35 PM

Wow don't have much to say about this except that i'm very unhappy about one of my fav fighters cheating.Well let the LW tourney begin hope to see Mach involved in it to

I heart LNP · 07-19-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Heatwaves

And don't forget Huerta.

How cool would a LW tourny of top contenders be?
Bout 1: Thomas/Fisher
Bout 2: BJ/Kenflo
Bout 3: Stevenson/Huerta

Aurelio would likely be in the tourny if there was one Tavares might be in it aswell.

PrettyBoy · 07-19-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by p19101

Either way they can't let Sherk keep the title. And a tourney wont happend as it could have done in Pride. BJ is the only one deserving the title currently in the UFC? Who in Pride could they bring in to fight him for the title?

Well Joe Daddy deserves it as much as Sherk does, hell even Melvin Guillard does, even though he's suspended. Also Huerta is on a rule so he's up there to.

FightFan76 · 07-19-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BCguy

BJ just fought at LW. And looked very good i might add.

A LW tourney would be the best idea IMO. Put these 8 guys in it.

Ken-Flo
BJ
Fisher
Griffin
Guida
Stevenson
Huerta
Lauzon

Diaz for an alternate.

I definitely agree w/ this idea; I dont think Ken-Flo earned a title shot the last time and imo Stevenson is not as good as people give him credit. I do however believe in putting them both in the tourney b/c that is the best way to earn a title shot. If either or both made it to the finals I wouldnt have any beef at all w/ them getting the belt.

OneTwoPunch · 07-19-2007, 05:51 PM

This sheds so much negative light on the sport. Waht are they going to do with the title/ title fight with BJ. Im so disappointed that on of my favorite fighters in the sport is on the juice.

PrettyBoy · 07-19-2007, 05:52 PM

With that list Lauzon shouldn't be there Diaz should. Also Stevenson beat Melvin in like 30seconds and Melvin was tearing up the division at that point, aswell as Joe, Daddy is very good and IMO the best at LW(besides Sherk, Franca)

OneTwoPunch · 07-19-2007, 05:57 PM

On the UFC website is says both fighters wil get a suspension and a fine. I don't see a way hpw they can't strip Sherk of his title like they did to Big Tim

BCguy · 07-19-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by codyfromstorm

With that list Lauzon shouldn't be there Diaz should. Also Stevenson beat Melvin in like 30seconds and Melvin was tearing up the division at that point, aswell as Joe, Daddy is very good and IMO the best at LW(besides Sherk, Franca)

Guillard is 3-2 in the UFC with wins over Rick Davis(who ?) and Gabe "cake" Rudiger. Not exactly "tearing up" a division IMO.

I put lauzon on the list because i believe he is a better fighter than diaz. But you could have either Diaz or Lauzon on there. It matters not to me.

LinvilleGorge · 07-19-2007, 06:01 PM

I think this thread just goes to show how deeeeeeeeeep the UFC LW division is and I'm pumped about all of the great matchup possibilities. There's never been a better situation for a tourney than this right here. We have an open title and at least 6-8 worthy contenders. Things are going to be very exciting in the LW division for a loooooooong time!

Heatwaves · 07-19-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LinvilleGorge

There's an entire "underground" medical industry on how to beat tests.

But I don't think Sherk, Franca, Gracie, Bonnar, Alves, etc. got the memo on that.

BTW, when is FF testing its members? Some of you type way too fast for it to be "unenhanced".

Osnodon · 07-19-2007, 06:21 PM

So how many UFC fighters in the past year have gotten busted for steriods?

Alves, Bonnar, Sherk, Franca

Any others?

The Seeker · 07-19-2007, 06:38 PM

Man, if this is true, what a horrible disappointment. Check out this info I found from Sherk's forum (includes a statement from Franca):

Greg Nelson's (Sherk's Trainer) Response to the test:

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Originally Posted by thefightnetwork.com

“I'm fairly convinced that there's absolutely been a total mistake here,” said Greg Nelson, Sherk’s trainer. “I have absolutely no recollection of anything of that nature. I know his training and how dedicated he is to eating and doing everything as pure and clean as possible.”

Nelson, who said Sherk takes 22 over-the-counter supplements a day, admitted he had not yet spoken to the UFC lightweight champion about the positive test.
[...]
Drostanalone is a popular steroid among body builders. The androgenic effect of the drug reportedly helps improve drive for intense training when an athlete has lowered his or her caloric intake. The substance Drostanolone is fast-acting and quickly broken down, which makes it a popular choice among athletes involved in sports that test regularly. Athletes can reportedly use the steroid up to about 10 days before a drug test.

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Originally Posted by Hermes Franca

In the next few days, the results from the California Commission will be released. The tests will show that I had a "banned substance" in my system.

I would like to apologize to my fans, the UFC, my students and family. I offer only an explanation and not an excuse. I made a decision during a difficult time in my training for the fight that I regret.

About 8 weeks out from the fight, I badly injured my ankle during a training session. For the following week I had rested it, rehabbed it and tried to work around the injury. It was obvious that I could not train as required.

I contacted the UFC and explained my injury and how I could not possibly train to the level I thought I would need in order to be properly prepared for my fight. I asked the UFC if we could push the fight out to the following UFC with the chance that it could happen. They explained that they could not do that and that the card had been set and it isnt as easy as just moving around a fight. I totally understood their position. They asked me to keep them informed should I not be able to fight.

I had not fought for 5 months. Fighting is literally how I put food on my wife and childs table and how I pay my bills. As a fighter though, even at this level, I live a simple life and I literally live from fight to fight. Not getting a paycheck for another few months and losing my chance to fight Sean for the title was overpowering. Fighting is the life I chose and I love it.

As a lightweight fighter, our purses are comparatively
small. The public sees the payouts. As lightweights, we do not pull down the money anything near the bigger guys. Its just the way it is. I think Sean fought and defended his title for less than $30,000. Its no ones fault, its just the market. I love the sport, I love the people in the
sport.

At this point I was desperate and needed anything I could to get my injury as close to healing as possible and be able to recover from the daily training regimen I was going through. I made the shortsighted choice to hopefully accelerate the healing process and allow me to keep training. Under the pressure of literally not being able to pay next months bills I made a choice. I had to fight and did whatever I could to do so.

I hope my fans, students, the UFC and the public accept my
sincere apology. Whatever punishment is dictated by the California Athletic Commission I will understand. I would like to get through this very difficult time and the times ahead and get back to fighting. All the best to my fans and much thanks to my family and friends that continue to support me during these times.

Franca tested positive to Drostanolone. He has been fined $2500 and suspended through his licensing year which is July 5, 2008.

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