Koscheck Explains Racist Hughes Comments

Jras0001 · 08-22-2007, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

All the anti Lincoln comments are by southern schooled "We Really won the Civil War" types.

The same types who probably fall into and create the conspiracy theories of 9/11and think that the US Government bombed the twin towers.

No, there is no re-writing history when you're wrong. And the SOUTH WAS WRONG Historically.

Maybe in the south, they re-write History where Lincoln really didnt mean to really do or say or act or really didnt yada yada yada,

The fact was. The Confederacy fought a war to protect what they thought was their right of kidnapping some 300,000 or so Africans and enslaving them

Then when a force (A Uninonized force at that meaining the United States), kicked their asses? And rather quickly by historical standards.

They resorted to torture, rape, murder and outright inhumanity that would make Hitler look like a Boy Scout!

Personally as a REAL american citizen I find it sickening that we consider Confederate Secessionists as War Hero's.

The Confederacy lost. They and their ancestors continue and hopefully will continue to suffer for generations to come.

They were a backwards nation (actually not a nation, just a land that thought they had certain things) which eventually wre wrong. Hell even the native americans had sense enough to know they didnt own the land.

Lincoln thought like this. thats why this symbol is the symbol of defeat Across teh world!

MTK...the section I put in bold was just uncalled for. I know you probably didnt try to offend anyone by your post but it is pretty offensive. Im about as Southern as a person can get, Im from Alabama. I dont feel too "backwards". I actually tend to think that Im at least above average intelligence, or I hope I am. Your arguments in this post just dont go over or hold much water.

Im not wanting to go too far into this discussion as I see its not really worth having. However, the reason the civil war was fought is because the Southern states were rebelling against what they saw as an incursion upon states rights by the federal government. They argued that it was the states right to make laws and regulations that affected that state and not the area of the federal government. The effort to free the slaves was a secondary reason for the war.

Also, you state that the South resorted to

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torture, rape, murder and outright inhumanity that would make Hitler look like a Boy Scout!

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This applies to both sides. Ever hear of the city of Atlanta....the one that Sherman burned to the ground when there wasnt a standing army anywhere near it? Ever here of Andersonville, Ga...the pow camp where 3/5's of the population (about 25K) died due to starvation and lack of sanitary conditions? Oh, ya, they were held in an area the size of a 1 1/2 football fields. There was a pow camp in the north, forgot the name, where just as many died for the exact same reasons.

Also, the North almost lost the civil war by the way. Thanks to supplies and aid from other countries in Europe, they won the war.

Now, Im not trying to be argumenative or anything but you just have factually inacurate things in your post, thats all.

The horrible treatment of people during the civil war is easily attributed to both the North and the South.

StratTone · 08-22-2007, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Chicago

Josh Koscheck Explains Racist Matt Hughes Comments

In a recent interview, top UFC Welterweight Josh Koscheck made some controversial comments about fellow 170 pounder Matt Hughes. The quote is from an interview over at FistFirstFighting.com where he says "[Matt Hughes] has no speed or athletic ability because he's white."

Koscheck riled up some people with the statement which prompted him to respond to the controversy on his official website, Josh Koscheck UFC Fighter - Mixed Martial Arts

I think I'll let you guys comment on this first!

Ok so basically he isn't sorry he is just explaining that he was totally disrespectful to his family and friends too........ Give me a break.

StratTone · 08-22-2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kentified

If the situation were reversed and Hughes said Kos had no athletic ability because he's half black everyone would be up in arms. Americas double standard at it's finest.

Yes I totally agree. But on a serious note. I really think that UFC is doing a great thing for sports and race issues on the whole. I really believe letting all races get in the ring and fight will finally prove to people that we are all the same and that color means nothing. It is a great sport that is doing great things.

StratTone · 08-22-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

The controversy travels fast... Kos, just be a man, you ****ed up. No one questions that you may not be a racist. But that comment was certainly a pathetic one. It was loud and clear that you thought white people have no athletic ability(!). Suck it up.

Agreed. It was and ignorant comment. Color has no bearing on a 1 on 1 fight. The ability of the fighter is the key. ding ding ding. There is no place for that kind of crap in the ring. Call Matt a Dick or something like Serra did.

(I like Matt)

StratTone · 08-22-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

An Entire Movie called "White Men Can't Jump" was created over this very same issue.

So. I dunno. I don't see too much wrong with what Koscheck said, but do agree that if Hughes had said something about Blacks in a similar vein?

Hughes would be suspended by The UFC right n ow.

But.. Historically, I think African Americans have gained the right to say what they want in the sense of what their ancestors had to endure at the hands of White men.

But that's all I'm gonna say about that right or wrong.

Dude no need for that. We shouldn't turn this into a bad thing...... I will ignore that comment.

Jras0001 · 08-22-2007, 08:27 AM

Stratone, if you have multiple responses, please put them in one thread instead of 3 seperate ones within the span of 4 minutes.

Cuts O Meat · 08-22-2007, 08:52 AM

Some of those posts are absolutely absurd.

If you think Kosh's comment wasn't racist, then you are a fool.
If you think it's not possible to be racist to white people, then you are a fool.
If you think black people have a right to be racist to white people because of the slavery. Then you sir, are a fool!

Do you all want this country to get over the huge racial divide? Then quit the BS excuses for any form of racism. Don't tolerate it at all from and race! Blacks, Whites, Asians, Arabs and Latins. None of these races have a right to racist to any other race.

I seriously can't believe it's f'ing 2007 and we the human race still have racists amongst us. f'ing pathetic.

OneBigThrow · 08-22-2007, 08:55 AM

its not racist really

subgenius · 08-22-2007, 12:11 PM

What Koscheck said CAN be construed as racist. That is a fact. He attacked Hughes' athletic ability on a racist level. He even used the word "white" with regard to Hughes. Koscheck said something extremely ignorant. He then tried to defend it or explain it away because he KNOWS what he said was just wrong. It was stupid.

And, his grammar does need work. Always use "an" rather than "a" when the word that follows the article starts with a vowel (such as "an educated" and "an Ultimate Fighter").

But, none of this has anything to do with Civil Rights or the Civil War. It has everything to do with Koscheck's lack of class, style, and any sense of public relations. He obviously did not study for those things when he was in school. Honestly, I never saw him as an intelligent person. I don't mean to bash him, but he looks and sounds like a dumbass whenever I watch him or listen to him speak. He needs lessons on how to speak in public.

Grey's Anatomy star Isaiah Washington has been fired from the hit US show because he made two "gay" comments. He tried very hard to either defend it or apologize for it. In the end, it got worse and he was fired. This is the type of stuff that makes people look really dumb. Washington and Koscheck both look really stupid for saying what they said and then saying what they said afterwards. It only gets worse for Koscheck every time he opens his mouth.

Curly · 08-22-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Because certain groups, sorry "Caucasions" my ancestors, kidnapped them from Africa to enslave them here.

It was not the whites who kidnapped them, it was Africans from other tribes. That's right, the blacks sold them to the evil white man.

Krav, you have made some outrageous statements on this forum but this argument you are making that its ok for blacks to be racist to whites because of what happened hundreds of years ago, this one takes the cake.

Curly · 08-22-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Osnodon

You are ignorant as **** and a piece of **** for posting that. I have known for quite sometime that you were an idiot through your poorly thought out posts but I didn't think you would come out with something this bad.

I also assume you hate the majority of Europe, Africa and Asia for having slaves too?

**** you.

I second that.

XxGnPxX · 08-22-2007, 01:26 PM

He doesnt look at people by color ? lol hmmm guess he didnt know we all knew hughes was white

subgenius · 08-22-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Curly

I second that.

Is it that you agree with him bashing a member, or that you disagree with what that member said? Because Osnodon crossed a line. Are you crossing it with him? I may not agree with what MTKrav said, but I am not attacking him. That's the whole point of where Koscheck screwed himself up; he made an ignorant statement about Matt Hughes personally rather than talking about Hughes as an MMA fighter. Koscheck could have spoken without saying "white" and we would not even be talking about it.

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Originally Posted by Curly

It was not the whites who kidnapped them, it was Africans from other tribes. That's right, the blacks sold them to the evil white man.

Krav, you have made some outrageous statements on this forum but this argument you are making that its ok for blacks to be racist to whites because of what happened hundreds of years ago, this one takes the cake.

It was true that slavery existed for all of the history of mankind going back to even before recorded history and the advent of the earliest civilizations. The Hebrews were slaves in Egypt for at least as long as the black Africans in the US, South America, and places in between.

Slavery in the US was not exclusive to the US. England engaged in slavery for a very long time even enslaving their own white population at times. King James enslaved rebels and sent them to Port Royal in Jamaica. That place was a center for the slave trade even after the British outlawed slavery.

If African Americans want equality and an end to racism, then they too MUST avoid racism and racist ways. Two wrongs will not make a right. Equality must be won by intellect and understanding, not by ignorance and stupidity.

The Civil War was more about economics than it was about freedom or an end to slavery. And, whomever said slavery was as prominent in the North as it was in the South has not studied history. The Civil War represented the end of the State governments as the true power in the United States and it was the assertion of the power of the Federal governement. Ecomomics and political power were the two strongest points that led to war. Slavery was just along for the ride.

KungFuGrip · 08-22-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by XxGnPxX

He doesnt look at people by color ? lol hmmm guess he didnt know we all knew hughes was white

Exactly. Keep diggin Kos.

I did take offense to a degree. He should practice the golden rule "Think Before You Speak". It's ashame, because he is a very talented fighter and I do see him going far in the sport. I agree with Subs post above, he explain how I felt very well. Kos need a little more tact when speaking in public.

marnold · 08-22-2007, 02:05 PM

Kos is not and will never be my moral or ethical guide. He beats people up. I will continue to judge people based on the way they treat others. However, I read that Hughes can type faster than Kos because Hughes is white.

XxGnPxX · 08-22-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by marnold

Kos is not and will never be my moral or ethical guide. He beats people up. I will continue to judge people based on the way they treat others. However, I read that Hughes can type faster than Kos because Hughes is white.

lol Funny stuff man