TUF Season 2 - Episode 9

somnus · 10-18-2005, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Grave

I feel bad for Dans White. At the end of all this he is going to have to hand over a 6-figure contract to some mediocre peice of fluff in the HW division, who is going to tottally get his ass handed to him the moment he faces a REAL fighter in the UFC and be a tottal embarrasment/

If I were Dana I would have something in the Prize contract that would allow me to get out of at least part of the contract.

rhtufts · 10-18-2005, 12:35 AM

Where in the world are they going to find heavyweights for the TUF 2 guys to fight? I mean their so-called “ultimate” fighters are going to get destroyed by any HW in the UFC past or present.

Hell I could go to a few bars here in Fort Worth and probably find 10 different bouncers that could kick any of the TUF2’s heavyweights butts.

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Grave · 10-18-2005, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Master Jones

I really am not a fan of Rashad's. But, I'll be the first to admit that when the fight was down to 1min. left. I want Rashad to PUNCH MIKES FACE INTO A BLOODY MESS. You live and you learn, "Don't belive it until you see it." Sorry Mike, but you suck in my book. "Maybe you can get a contract with a stationary bike company or something. Seems to be the only thing your good at is RUNNING!!!!!!

Sad thing is Rashad is a pretty mediocre fighter too,just nowhere near the calibur of suckiness that mike was. Any decent and formidable HW fighter out there would have floored mike out cold in the first round.

Considering how they give a big extra money bonus as an incentive for fighters winning by KO, and rashad could not pull it out even against sad sacks like Tom and Mike. That says something about him too.

No Mr.Rashad your not worth a crap either, you just **LUCKILY** happen to of been the least suckiest HW picked for TUF2.

Unknown · 10-18-2005, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Grave

Sad thing is Rashad is a pretty mediocre fighter too,just nowhere near the calibur of suckiness that mike was. Any decent and formidable HW fighter out there would have floored mike out cold in the first round.

Considering how they give a big extra money bonus as an incentive for fighters winning by KO, and rashad could not pull it out even against sad sacks like Tom and Mike. That says something about him too.

No Mr.Rashad your not worth a crap either, you just **LUCKILY** happen to of been the least suckiest HW picked for TUF2.

Well at least there is still Kieth. (crosses fingers) Maybe he will at least put on a good show.

Brandon_Dicken · 10-18-2005, 12:53 AM

Grave you sound like a Rashad hater why don't you just give him some credit. Mike was supposed to be the best heavyweight on the show and Rashad dominated him and made him just gave up thats all. Rashad didn't tire the whole fight either saying both the guys suck is just crazy. These guys are fighting in front of the whole nation for the first time in their lives and they are nervous thats how some ppl are. I'm sure they can fight or they wouldn't be on the show. Rashad won thats the bottom line though. I wanted Rashad to do more showing off though it would have been funny at the end of the fight if Rashad looked at Matt and gave him the Home Alone scream with both hands on his face.

Grave · 10-18-2005, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

Well at least there is still Kieth. (crosses fingers) Maybe he will at least put on a good show.

It will almost be a crime if someone like Rashad wins the whole thing. As well as a testament to what huge mistakes were made in the process in picking the TUF2 HW cast.

Grave · 10-18-2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brandon_Dicken

Grave you sound like a Rashad hater why don't you just give him some credit. Mike was supposed to be the best heavyweight on the show and Rashad dominated him and made him just gave up thats all. Rashad didn't tire the whole fight either saying both the guys suck is just crazy. These guys are fighting in front of the whole nation for the first time in their lives and they are nervous thats how some ppl are. I'm sure they can fight or they wouldn't be on the show. Rashad won thats the bottom line though. I wanted Rashad to do more showing off though it would have been funny at the end of the fight if Rashad looked at Matt and gave him the Home Alone scream with both hands on his face.

That excuse of "pressure" being on camera and all means nothing,when you look at the welterweights.95% of them have proven infinitly better.

The difference? The welterweights they picked are REAL fighter material. The HWs unfortunitly are just a bunch of amature'ish jokers.

So what if Rashad beat tom and mike? Those guys absolutly SUCKED. What if rashad went and beat up a little kid? Would you again be praiseing his "mAd SkIlS" too? Puh-lease.....

Grave · 10-18-2005, 01:07 AM

On my last post in for the night:

You can have a guy like Rashad rack up a 100 wins against unskilled losers, and you can have another guy score 1 and ONLY win, but against a HIGH-CALIBUR competitor like Arlovski.

Who do you think is the best fighter with the most credableity in the end? The guy that manhandles a 100 pathetic amatures, or a guy who gets only 1 win but against a world class fighter?

Yeah the answer is simple as to who is better....

Anti-Sanchez · 10-19-2005, 06:55 AM

I watched it in disbelief last night as I had fallen into the hype and expected an actual fight from Mike. He was disgusting and I would've been even more pissed than Matt was last night. How could a guy wobble around the ring hearing advise from one of the best fighters of his era and not take a single piece of it. The entire first two round you can hear Matt yelling at Mike telling him to do this or do that. Not once did Mike take the advice. Like a previous poster in thie thread said, by the third round I was totally hoping that Rashad (My least favorite fighter out of the entire show) was gonna beat the living **** out of Mike. He's the biggest flop in MMA history as far as I've seen. I'm gonna resurrect the "Worst Fighter" thread over in the UFC forum and insert Mike Whitehead into it.

ChipShank · 10-19-2005, 09:23 AM

Judging from the clip last week of Mike starting to doubt himself and then the subsequent preview clips of him stepping things up and being the "Team Leader"....You almost knew that the storyline was gonna play out like that. (Classic "Reality TV" schlock)

Even so, it was very dissappointing to see him go out like that. I'd be tempted to say that he did get in his own way, more so than saying he's a crap fighter....I just can't see Hughes putting that much faith in a dude he's known and trained with for 2yrs, if there wasn't truly something behind it....Some sorta concrete skills that he's shown over the previous years of training and fighting. Matt doesn't seem to have any trouble pointing it out to people, when he thinks that they suck....So him putting that much faith into Mike's abilities, tells me that there is more to him than we saw...he just didn't bring it to the octagon in that fight....for whatever reasons.

Rashad, on the other hand....May not be the fan favorite of everyone at this point in time....but you should at least give him credit for the fact that he seems to have learned from his first fight. He cleaned up his act and cut out the nonsense showboating, he was more agressive than his first outing, he flatout neutralized almost all of Mike's supposedly "superior" abilities...be it grappling or striking....he didn't really let him get any "clean" takedowns and he beat him to the punch in almost every single exchange. He seemed to have his game plan (albeit an unspectacular one) and he stuck to it, with very few mistakes.
Downside, is that he seems like he may be lacking any real KO power. I mean he had several spots, where he hit Mike with a lot of shots, but never really seemed to phase him too much. He was moderately accurate (not all wild & outta control) and obviously scored well with his strikes...but there never seemed to be any real threat of Mike getting KO'd.
Looking at Rashad's build & weight....he (like Keith) seems like he may be slightly outta place in the true HW division.....Like he could probably drop that 15+ lbs and be better suited for the LHW division....Though Liddel, Couture and Sobral would all friggin destroy him easily, IMO.

Next week it looks like Sammy is up, as they showed him weighing in....I'm guessing Sam vs. Luke...

Grave · 10-20-2005, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sanchez

I watched it in disbelief last night as I had fallen into the hype and expected an actual fight from Mike. He was disgusting and I would've been even more pissed than Matt was last night. How could a guy wobble around the ring hearing advise from one of the best fighters of his era and not take a single piece of it. The entire first two round you can hear Matt yelling at Mike telling him to do this or do that. Not once did Mike take the advice. Like a previous poster in thie thread said, by the third round I was totally hoping that Rashad (My least favorite fighter out of the entire show) was gonna beat the living **** out of Mike. He's the biggest flop in MMA history as far as I've seen. I'm gonna resurrect the "Worst Fighter" thread over in the UFC forum and insert Mike Whitehead into it.

Its like dana says,there is nothing wrong with loseing as long as you give 100% and throw it all out there. Mike barely gave 5%. Sad.

I feel bad for matt watching who he thought was one of his best guys,shut down early,and get pushed around for 15 minutes by a chump like rashad. Total dissapointment there.

If i were Matt i'd have bitchslapped Mike after that second HORRID round and told him to shake off whatever doubt he had,get his ass in gear and stop being rashad's personal bitch. Perhaps that would've been the jolt it would take to dragg mike out of his mentel cave,fire him up and go out and give 100%.

Matt Hughes: "All or nothing!!!"

Catsmasher · 10-20-2005, 02:17 PM

Man, another sucky episode. I had hope for Mike, I thought he'd be the real deal after all the hidden pimping the show's editors did. Ah well, as long as Rashad doesn't win I'll be happy.

On second thoughts, Rashad winning wouldn't be so bad because we'd get to see guys like Tim Syvia and Andre Arlovski smash his face into many, many pieces.

JoeRoganismyhero · 10-21-2005, 10:22 AM

I can't believe the amount of bad fights and guys just looking like they didn't want to be in the octagon in TUF2. I don't remember 1 time where someone quit in TUF 1 not once! Jardine I think is the only hope in the HW division.

Unknown · 10-21-2005, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRoganismyhero

I can't believe the amount of bad fights and guys just looking like they didn't want to be in the octagon in TUF2. I don't remember 1 time where someone quit in TUF 1 not once! Jardine I think is the only hope in the HW division.

I do. There was that Guy on Randy's team who gave up but decided to stick with it but got let go when they lost the challange. But thats the only time I can think of. You still make a good point.

Weasel · 10-21-2005, 12:31 PM

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I do. There was that Guy on Randy's team who gave up but decided to stick with it but got let go when they lost the challange. But thats the only time I can think of. You still make a good point.

I think the guy you're thinking of is Jason Thacker. He had doubts about carrying on, and whether or not he could make it (as did the rest of the fighters and most people watching lol) but he still stuck with it untill Team Couture lost their first challenge and Randy got rid of him.

Unknown · 10-21-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Weasel

I think the guy you're thinking of is Jason Thacker. He had doubts about carrying on, and whether or not he could make it (as did the rest of the fighters and most people watching lol) but he still stuck with it untill Team Couture lost their first challenge and Randy got rid of him.

Yea thats the guy. "strange Brew"

Mecca · 10-21-2005, 08:08 PM

For ratings wise, bring Mevlin Guillard back.

ChipShank · 10-22-2005, 08:02 PM

Ya know.....This is not at all making excuses for Mike's piss poor performance....but after watching that fight again, I'm wondering if in conjunction with his mental lapse....maybe physically he just wasn't there either.
Like maybe that challenge with Joe had some lasting effects on his back that were hindering him? I'd doubt that he'd admit to it. But looking at his stats and some of his random photos over at Sherdog, most of his wins have been submissions and he seems to employ many "power" moves, much like Hughes.
He did seem dead set on tossing/throwing and/or taking down Rashad....but his efforts really seemed to lack any "snap" to them and he had no GnP at all. It's tough to say since I've never seen any video of him fighting before....but he seemed very "stiff" and slow. So it kinda leaves you wondering, if he game planned for out being able to out muscle Rashad, just bulldoze him....but physically was just unable to do it, perhaps due to some lingering punishment from that challenge...and Hughes' unrelenting approach to training. (Not bashing him...just stating the obvious)
I mean seriously, with the short time span that they're working in...any sort of substantial injury is not gonna fully heal....especially a back one....and especially as hard as they are training.
The spot that started me thinking of that was when he had Rashad around the waist, from behind and couldn't get him off the ground. He's obviously strong enough to do it, but (like several other times) his mechanics just seemed way off....maybe due to compensating for something like a back problem? I don't know.

Again, this is just boneheaded theorizing...based on the last episode and some pics/stats over at sherdog.
Trying to revive a dying thread until Monday's new episode.

Unknown · 10-22-2005, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChipShank

Ya know.....This is not at all making excuses for Mike's piss poor performance....but after watching that fight again, I'm wondering if in conjunction with his mental lapse....maybe physically he just wasn't there either.
Like maybe that challenge with Joe had some lasting effects on his back that were hindering him? I'd doubt that he'd admit to it. But looking at his stats and some of his random photos over at Sherdog, most of his wins have been submissions and he seems to employ many "power" moves, much like Hughes.
He did seem dead set on tossing/throwing and/or taking down Rashad....but his efforts really seemed to lack any "snap" to them and he had no GnP at all. It's tough to say since I've never seen any video of him fighting before....but he seemed very "stiff" and slow. So it kinda leaves you wondering, if he game planned for out being able to out muscle Rashad, just bulldoze him....but physically was just unable to do it, perhaps due to some lingering punishment from that challenge...and Hughes' unrelenting approach to training. (Not bashing him...just stating the obvious)
I mean seriously, with the short time span that they're working in...any sort of substantial injury is not gonna fully heal....especially a back one....and especially as hard as they are training.
The spot that started me thinking of that was when he had Rashad around the waist, from behind and couldn't get him off the ground. He's obviously strong enough to do it, but (like several other times) his mechanics just seemed way off....maybe due to compensating for something like a back problem? I don't know.

It's possable. I really never thought about it that way. Mostly because he just gave up at the last part of the fight. It looked to me that Rashad blocked the Hughes Slam. But on the belly to back supex that Mike tired, Mike Just seemed not to be able to do it. The biggest reason I have to doubt it thought is because the challange with Joe was 3 fights before this fight and believe that they have a week between fights. So I think that his back was fine by then. It looked to me more like he wasn't even trying.

angryjonny · 10-22-2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Catsmasher

On second thoughts, Rashad winning wouldn't be so bad because we'd get to see guys like Tim Syvia and Andre Arlovski smash his face into many, many pieces.

Or he could fight anyone besides Tim and Andrei and look like a superstar.