Matt Hughes is the blame for his Heavyweights poor performaces?

Mecca · 10-21-2005, 08:01 PM

"I don't have time to make a medicore fighter to a good fighter" Hughes said. Guess what, that's the UFC wanted you to do & for the result, your one of the worst coaches I had ever seen.

Goeth27 · 10-21-2005, 08:26 PM

Then explain why Franklins welters weights are so bad?

angryjonny · 10-21-2005, 08:49 PM

That is kind of a ridiculous claim to make. I wasn't the best wrestler in the world but I don't blame my coach. He had many state champs yet the 4 times I went to state I could never advance in my bracket. Is it really because my coach just wasn't good? Come on man, it has minimal to do with coaching. They can only do so much. Hughes has been a good coach. Too many people are getting upset because he is "mean" or whatever. He is being tough, and if that doesn't make the fighters stronger then they need to go away, and stop being whiney babies.

Also UFC doesn't care whether or not Hughes takes the mediocre fighters and makes them into good fighters. They want exactly what Hughes is giving them. They want ratings, drama, money (from product placement) etc. Why is this so hard to understand? You do realize UFC can still find fighters without the aid of TUF right?

Goeth is dead on with his comment. Going by your theory Franklin is equally as bad of a coach.

Mecca · 10-21-2005, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Goeth27

Then explain why Franklins welters weights are so bad?

I don't think the guys they have are bad but Franklin has made bad decisions with them (ex. Marcus vs. Stevenson) & Hughes knows his division that he currently owns in the UFC.

Thrash13 · 10-22-2005, 10:29 AM

I think both coaches are pretty darn good to be honest. They just have different styles.

If Mike Whitehead would have stuck to Matt's gameplan, he would have had much more success. But in the end, he didn't stick to any gameplan except for getting his ass kicked. Matt can teach the methods of fighting, but he can't do the fighting. And that's what it all comes down to.

Brandon_Dicken · 10-22-2005, 12:59 PM

I don' agree with how hughes acts or with some of his fighting princaples but its not his fault the guys can't fight. All he can do is show them how its up to them to actually do it. I think this is why Franklin is so relaxed with his training he knows this cause he used to be a teacher.

mortyx · 10-22-2005, 04:58 PM

It's hard to say without seeing what is going on during their training.

The welterweights seem to be doing great. So it's probably not Hughes who is to blame.

Unknown · 10-23-2005, 02:06 AM

I think that Hughes just made bad picks with respect to Tom and Rob. Dan seemed to not want to fight a friend. And Mike just choked. They are both good coaches. As Brandon said Rich used to be a school teacher so he took the relaxed approach that he learned, While Hughes was a lot harder on his guys.

I actually came into this liking Rich more than Matt but Matts coaching style has turned it around for me. I personally love a coach like that. My XC coach was like that. And I think that Matt did a little better Job coaching because like he said it was 6-2 on the challenges. And the 2 challenges Rich won weren’t good match ups for his guys. But they are both very good coaches. I don't think that either of them did a bad Job.

Grave · 10-23-2005, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

"I don't have time to make a medicore fighter to a good fighter" Hughes said. Guess what, that's the UFC wanted you to do & for the result, your one of the worst coaches I had ever seen.

No, not to blame. As the HWs on franklins team have all sucked too. Matt is right: There is just not enough time to turn a crappy fighter into a good one.

He does his best to try but is just being honest and realistic there.

Whereas most of the welterweights have been the total opposite,rangeing from decent-to-great fighters. The difference is that unlike the HWs,the welterwights picked are REAL fighters.

The HWs just suck thats all, and how such a cast of pathetic losers got picked for this show, i have no idea.

Grave · 10-23-2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Goeth27

Then explain why Franklins welters weights are so bad?

RAWNG!!!!

With the welterweights on both sides have been pretty decent fighters and WAAAY better than any of the HWs shown so far. Even Marcus,who dispite having almost no ground game,certainly had better standup than any of the HWs.

They deserve to be there, the HWs however are just near-talentless fluff.

tropicana · 10-23-2005, 09:36 AM

I dont think these fighters were chosen to be on the show because of there fighting abilities simpley because they all suck. Its obovious to me any way that who ever choses these fighters for the show needs to be replaced with someone who can see real fighting talent and not someone who looks good on camera. Because this show will not last without talent in the octogon. REAL TALENT!!!!!!!!!!! And I think Matt Hughes is an excellent coach its his team that sucks.

williamN · 10-23-2005, 02:14 PM

Lets face it, the bad performance is because they just plain SUCK.

These guys have been doing this for years. If they are no good by now they will never be.

tropicana · 10-25-2005, 07:57 PM

I agree ... well said

rsylver · 10-26-2005, 10:52 AM

Whoa, I don't know about the never will be but I agree as of right now the are not at UFC quality. But I still think everyone of them can still improve. Not a single one of those fighters has hit their prime yet and they all have alot of potential thay just have to use it correctly.