Houston Alexander

IrishRage · 10-02-2007, 11:46 AM

Please feel free to hate my outlook on Houston and no worries I will Imagine acouple of you Internet tough guys might even get mad about this thread.

Houston Alexander bugs me alot , I don't know If its his mouthy additude or his pathetic reaction after beating Keith jumping around acting all gangsta at the tender age of 35 . Maybe I don't even dislike him I just dislike how people make him out to be a God at 205 after 2 fights but that has happened with alot of fighters In the past so It can't just be that . I respect his power and fantastic striking abilities there Is no fighter bashing when It comes to his stand up I am sure he trains his arse off like all the other professional MMA fighters. The man has 8 wins 1 no contest and a submission lost mind you most those fighters work at future shop now but Its still a very respectiable record . After watching the fight with Alessio Sakara and seeing how hard he was breathing at the Interview with Joe rogan and still breathing extremly heavy In the after fight Interviews on UFC.com I might start to question his Cardio more then his ground game and submission defense . Maybe he Is a MMA Mike tyson and all the holes of his game doesn't shine often because he Is just so good at striking but I don't believe It for a second this Is the face of the 205 belt I think as soon as he takes on someone with BJJ wrestling skills who don't want to trade with him and want to bring him down we will see a man who runs out of gas FAST and has pathetic submission defense.

thoughts on Houston ?

OneBigThrow · 10-02-2007, 11:50 AM

i think you are overreacting

I mean, you seriously care much more than those you accuse

we just enjoy watching the man fight and want to see him fight again

bayouboy · 10-02-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by IrishRage

Please feel free to hate my outlook on Houston and no worries I will Imagine acouple of you Internet tough guys might even get mad about this thread.

Houston Alexander bugs me alot , I don't know If its his mouthy additude or his pathetic reaction after beating Keith jumping around acting all gangsta at the tender age of 35 . Maybe I don't even dislike him I just dislike how people make him out to be a God at 205 after 2 fights but that has happened with alot of fighters In the past so It can't just be that . I respect his power and fantastic striking abilities there Is no fighter bashing when It comes to his stand up I am sure he trains his arse off like all the other professional MMA fighters. The man has 8 wins 1 no contest and a submission lost mind you most those fighters work at future shop now but Its still a very respectiable record . After watching the fight with Alessio Sakara and seeing how hard he was breathing at the Interview with Joe rogan and still breathing extremly heavy In the after fight Interviews on UFC.com I might start to question his Cardio more then his ground game and submission defense . Maybe he Is a MMA Mike tyson and all the holes of his game doesn't shine often because he Is just so good at striking but I don't believe It for a second this Is the face of the 205 belt I think as soon as he takes on someone with BJJ wrestling skills who don't want to trade with him and want to bring him down we will see a man who runs out of gas FAST and has pathetic submission defense.

thoughts on Houston ?

Why are you defensive before anyone even responds to your thread?

I do tend to agree with much of this:
Two fights is too soon to make a solid opinion
His ground game has not been seen yet and might be terrible
He doesn't show the most class after a fight by looking over his opponent

That being said what I've seen so far is exciting. He comes after his opponent which can't be said about all. He is like Ken-Flo...he finishes fights.

By his next fight we will probably know much more.

OneBigThrow · 10-02-2007, 12:09 PM

damned if you go to decision, damned if you dont

I havent seen anyone, ANYONE call him a God, a King, a Master, a Czar, a Champion or any other crap

do you talk to your dog and hes the one saying these things?

WorkingStiff · 10-02-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OneBigThrow

damned if you go to decision, damned if you dont

You've nailed it right there. There is NO pleasing everybody.

Go Huskers!

Jumpin Jack Flash · 10-02-2007, 01:39 PM

Houston Alexander didnt make my top 10, he's had 2 fights, 2mins, none reachin the floor.

Would be interestin to see him fight a high ranker or intelligent fighter to see how he does, personally would like to see him get his arse handed to him, i dislike his attitude ( treatment of opponents after fights, grown man still wantin to play gangsta thug life etc). He might be next big thing, but for me personally i think he'll turn out to be another great brawler who'll scream like a girl when the fight hits the floor.

ive been wrong before tho so hey we'll see what happens

jmag · 10-02-2007, 01:44 PM

To be fair, Jardine was taunting him with the silly dancing at the beginning of the fight.

GeorgeXVX · 10-02-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jmag

To be fair, Jardine was taunting him with the silly dancing at the beginning of the fight.

very true... and Jardine also dropped him!

I want to see Houston v. Wanderlei in december!

dsver1 · 10-02-2007, 01:57 PM

I like Alexander because he's a finisher and an exciting fighter. Does that mean he can't go the distance? I don't know, but I don't get how him being a KO artist suddenly prevents him from having any ground skills.

Read this interview, he actually seems like a pretty cool guy and definitely not gansta as you so eloquently put! He seems like a committed, single father of six who loves independent hip-hop and R&B culture and, of course, knocking people out in the cage.

basslogic4003 · 10-02-2007, 02:07 PM

I'm more offended by your run-on sentences than your opinions on Houston Alexander

Kidding! He's an aggressive striker, which is always exciting. It will be interesting to see how much work he's put into his ground game. I'd say the jury's still out on my opinions of him.

arelius · 10-02-2007, 03:22 PM

I have said that in past posts about Houston.....fun to watch, comes to bang, he is no holds barred, however......I wanna see him fight in later rounds.

That is one thing that sticks in my mind, him breathing heavy during Rogan interviews after both fights.

That could be just pure adrenaline, because that is a side effect of adrenaline, fast heart rate, heavy breathing, tunnel vision etc. its a long list.

There is some early Houston nut huggin happening here but that isn't any different from other fighter bandwagans that happen on forums, it will come to a screatching halt when he faulters. Just let it happen and don't get your panties in a bunch.

Relax

OneBigThrow · 10-02-2007, 04:17 PM

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treatment of opponents after fights, grown man still wantin to play gangsta thug life etc

what the holy ****in hell are you talking about

are you one of those assholes who confuses "Hip Hop culture" with 50-Cent, Lil John, and Mike Jones?

because that is the only point of reference I could forsee any "gangsta thug life portrayal" derivation...which is a sadly ignorant conclusion

yea he jumped around a little bit, what else have you got other than that?

Saskabush · 10-02-2007, 04:29 PM

It is much too early to judge him as a fighter. So far we know that he has heavy hands and that he can be rocked. His cardio and ground game have yet to be tested and without seeing these parts of his game I wouldn't place him close to top 10.

Jumpin Jack Flash · 10-02-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OneBigThrow

what the holy ****in hell are you talking about

are you one of those assholes who confuses "Hip Hop culture" with 50-Cent, Lil John, and Mike Jones?

because that is the only point of reference I could forsee any "gangsta thug life portrayal" derivation...which is a sadly ignorant conclusion

yea he jumped around a little bit, what else have you got other than that?

Chill kid, i think you need to take OneBigDeepBreath.

my whole point was "for me personally". Dont call me an a**hole for havin my opinion on a fighter. And yes i do associate "hiphop" culture with fifty pence and those other loud mouth idiots. Which isnt even the point, it was PERSONALLY i dislike Houston Alexander because of his post-fight antics/interviews. Take it easy mate

Elder · 10-02-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumpin Jack Flash

, i dislike his attitude ( treatment of opponents after fights, grown man still wantin to play gangsta thug life etc).

ive been wrong before tho so hey we'll see what happens

I think Houston really got a bad rap for standing over Jardine the way he did. I don't think anything he was doing was "gangsta"... I just think it was disrespectful. I don't remember anyone calling Sobral a gangsta after he put someone to sleep, or Matt Hughes when he slammed his opponent in the middle of the Octagon. Unfortunately some people have this stereotype of confident and angry black men as gangsta.
I can understand how someone can have this view based on that fight if you aren't very familiar with black people in general. However, if you watch his post fight interviews he was just an excited fighter who gave a lot of respect to his trainers for getting him where he is today. I admire that part of Houston and try not to judge him based on one incident-- an incident that doesn't mean he is portraying any type of gangsta life.

Jumpin Jack Flash · 10-02-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Elder

I think Houston really got a bad rap for standing over Jardine the way he did. I don't think anything he was doing was "gangsta"... I just think it was disrespectful. I don't remember anyone calling Sobral a gangsta after he put someone to sleep, or Matt Hughes when he slammed his opponent in the middle of the Octagon. Unfortunately some people have this stereotype of confident and angry black men as gangsta.
I can understand how someone can have this view based on that fight if you aren't very familiar with black people in general. However, if you watch his post fight interviews he was just an excited fighter who gave a lot of respect to his trainers for getting him where he is today. I admire that part of Houston and try not to judge him based on one incident-- an incident that doesn't mean he is portraying any type of gangsta life.

Youre right and youve put it across excellently, but for me thats the impression he gave me, I personally really dislike when a fighter cant be man enough to control himself after beatin someone down, regain his composure and then congratulate the other guy for steppin into the cage.

And because of that i hope he gets beat, gets beat HARD, then his opponent makes a fool of himself by rubbin it in his face on live TV. I hope this loss then gives Houston a taste of his own medicine, sends him back to the drawing board, Houston comes back a stronger meaner better fighter because of it. Steps back into the cage, destroys someone even more emphatically....except this time has the class to compose himself, check on his opponent, then give em a slap on the back.

I felt the same way with Diego Sanchez, mightve been wrong he's no doubt a brilliant guy, but the impression he gave me was he was a very hatefull young guy and a terrible winner. he got beat, twice, and in his post-fight interview after fitch he completely changed my opinion of him, he was respectfull, gave full credit to the victor, and vowed to train harder and get back in the ring. That completely changed my opinion of Diego, and i hope he comes back stronger and better than ever and puts a few wins together......

......I hope the same thing for Alexander.

DoQ1 · 10-02-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bayouboy

Why are you defensive before anyone even responds to your thread?

I do tend to agree with much of this:
Two fights is too soon to make a solid opinion
His ground game has not been seen yet and might be terrible
He doesn't show the most class after a fight by looking over his opponent

That being said what I've seen so far is exciting. He comes after his opponent which can't be said about all. He is like Ken-Flo...he finishes fights.

By his next fight we will probably know much more.

Two fights is more than enough in MMA when your run can be over in 2 fights look at Chuck, Wandy, CC if you don't believe that. So as much crap as they take for losing 2 straight, shouldn't this guy get credit for DESTROYING his opposition??

Also, you say "His ground game has not been seen yet, and MIGHT be terrible."

It might be great, or just good enough to avoid submissions.

I assume he will begin to train FULL-TIME now so expect improvements. I could be wrong

DoQ1 · 10-02-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Elder

I think Houston really got a bad rap for standing over Jardine the way he did. I don't think anything he was doing was "gangsta"... I just think it was disrespectful. I don't remember anyone calling Sobral a gangsta after he put someone to sleep, or Matt Hughes when he slammed his opponent in the middle of the Octagon. Unfortunately some people have this stereotype of confident and angry black men as gangsta.
I can understand how someone can have this view based on that fight if you aren't very familiar with black people in general. However, if you watch his post fight interviews he was just an excited fighter who gave a lot of respect to his trainers for getting him where he is today. I admire that part of Houston and try not to judge him based on one incident-- an incident that doesn't mean he is portraying any type of gangsta life.

well here are some other words they would have used if he was not Black.

REDNECK
CHOLO
WHITE TRASH
GOOMBA

It all means disrespectful, and unsportsmanlike. If he was white and someone said he was white trash you would not have flinched. So it is not racist, but he was in the wrong and that is not to be tolerated.

bayouboy · 10-02-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DoQ1

Two fights is more than enough in MMA when your run can be over in 2 fights look at Chuck, Wandy, CC if you don't believe that. So as much crap as they take for losing 2 straight, shouldn't this guy get credit for DESTROYING his opposition??

Also, you say "His ground game has not been seen yet, and MIGHT be terrible."

It might be great, or just good enough to avoid submissions.

I assume he will begin to train FULL-TIME now so expect improvements. I could be wrong

I say "might", you say "might" which leads back to what my original post was all about which is we still don't completely know with Alexander.

As far as the two fight things goes we aren't talking about established fighters. We are talking about a fighter that just came on to the scene. I don't think your comparison to Chuck, Wandy and CC really works although I know where you are coming from.

As far you possibly being wrong...well...that's probably true.

DoQ1 · 10-02-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bayouboy

I say "might", you say "might" which leads back to what my original post was all about which is we still don't completely know with Alexander.

As far as the two fight things goes we aren't talking about established fighters. We are talking about a fighter that just came on to the scene. I don't think your comparison to Chuck, Wandy and CC really works although I know where you are coming from.

As far you possibly being wrong...well...that's probably true.

We both sound so damn certain.

LOL