Official Silva vs. Henderson thread

RIPPEN · 03-03-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mackem_111

he'd give him a better fight than hendo did

Quite possibly the funniest post YET on FF and... Are you high?

Sorry man, no disrespect but your comparing the most dominating MW in the world to a more than likely average joe MW..

When A. Silva destroyed my boy(Rich) I naturally and unfiarly became a bit of a hater.. Ive since realized I was just hating and quit but still wanted to see him lose as it would be better for the division and I wanna see what it will take to put this guy down.. After saturday nights fight, I find myself asking.. Who in the hell will pose any kind of threat? Seriously, I don't give GSP a snowballs chance in hell.. A. Silva is either throwing around the bigger guys of the MW division or atleast nutralizing their strength.. I just honestly don't see a threat 1 in the WW.. So I start looking at LHW.. Although if he gets caught by someone like Liddell I could see him going out but he is far to quick and accurate for Liddell IMO.. It will be very interesting to see what kinda fighter its going to take to make this man sweat.. A. Silva, sorry for the past hate.. Your one badass fellow..

mammoth91 · 03-03-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

I was just messing with you a little about the Herring comment.

Dan tried to impose his will and did a decent job of landing some hammerfists and interrupting the breathing but winning one round wasn't the goal. I was more disagreeing about the utter beating comment - Leben v. Silva was an utter beating. Franklin, etc....

Dude, I'm cracking up.. I broke down the Kongo/ Herring ground game for no reason !! You are right , I may have been over the top with that statement but did we think Anderson would choke out Dan, no way ! So it may not have been utter but it was complete !

T-Bone · 03-03-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mammoth91

Dude, I'm cracking up.. I broke down the Kongo/ Herring ground game for no reason !! You are right , I may have been over the top with that statement but did we think Anderson would choke out Dan, no way ! So it may not have been utter but it was complete !

You're a good sport. I'm a mammoth91 fan!

And you're right - I didn't think Dan would get RNC'd. That's his first sub loss...in about three years.

FightFan76 · 03-04-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

In reality Silva basically TKO'ed Hendo in the stand-up, and I will explain myself: when Hendo went down in the 2nd round, it was after he took a few hard hits that gave him a disadvantageous position on the ground. Silva saw that and patiently kept punishing Hendo to finally take his back and submit him.
Despite general consensus of Hendo being a bad match-up for Silva, this was the logical way for the fight to develop considering these two fighters' styles. It was clear to me that Hendo's pride would make him trade with Silva sooner or later. In the first round he followed his game plan and immediately clinched. But in the second he tested his stand-up, and it was lights out for him very, very fast. Even Leben took more punches before he went down.

In the post-fight interview I don't think Dan gives Silva the recognition he deserves. He says that he made mistakes, which he did. But Silva took advantage of the tiny window of opportunity he had in the second round, and finished the fight.

Silva epitomizes mma fighting. The UFC and the fans should enjoy him right now, as others as good as him are impossible to come across right now.

Good post earvinarp, I agree w/ you 100% about Dan being hurt standing b/4 getting submitted. Having said that I dont want to take anything away from Silva's ground game. He was excellent while on the top and bottom (limiting damage done) which really makes him look unbeatable atm.....

I believe based on the 1st round these 2 need to have a rematch. I am not saying Silva would not win again but if Dan could do what he did the 1st and avoid getting KO'ed he would have a great chance to win. I dont see anyone else atm who would really challenge Silva.....

earvinarp · 03-04-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FightFan76

I believe based on the 1st round these 2 need to have a rematch. I am not saying Silva would not win again but if Dan could do what he did the 1st and avoid getting KO'ed he would have a great chance to win. I dont see anyone else atm who would really challenge Silva.....

Mmm... I see where you are coming from. Dan was really effective in that first round and if he were able to stick to that game plan... But I see two problems here for Dan: 1. I believe the Spider was checking him out in the first, and allowed himself to lose it. 2. Dan is a veteran fighter and he is very stubborn. I don't see him changing the way he fights any time soon. I knew he would exchange sooner or later with Silva. It took him only one round. In a second fight, who knows? Maybe he'll wait two, but I see the same end result. But that's my opinion.

At the same time, the A. Silva ticket is so hot right now that many, many guys out there will want to fight him (GSP, LHWs...) and poor Dan will have to get back on the queue.

NWCrazy · 03-05-2008, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mammoth91

Even Dan said that he did not take control. When Anderson turned up the rpms it was over fast. Dan was done when Silva started stalking him. If you still think that Dan can control Silva, after this fight, I don't know what fight you watched. Yes, that GR throw down in the first was nice, but Silva controled the ground clinch, and from the bottom ! A complete and utter beating !!

Exactly,

I noticed this too (in the 2nd round). Like I said before, Silva has a lightswitch which he can just flip. Then all of a sudden it's dead meat for his opponent.

FightFan76 · 03-05-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

Mmm... I see where you are coming from. Dan was really effective in that first round and if he were able to stick to that game plan... But I see two problems here for Dan: 1. I believe the Spider was checking him out in the first, and allowed himself to lose it. 2. Dan is a veteran fighter and he is very stubborn. I don't see him changing the way he fights any time soon. I knew he would exchange sooner or later with Silva. It took him only one round. In a second fight, who knows? Maybe he'll wait two, but I see the same end result. But that's my opinion.

At the same time, the A. Silva ticket is so hot right now that many, many guys out there will want to fight him (GSP, LHWs...) and poor Dan will have to get back on the queue.

Yup, I agree w/ that 2nd point as well; I like Hendo but he is too bull headed. Although there are ways he could beat Silva possibly he will resort back to trying to slug it out w/ Silva and like I stated b/4, nobody can beat Silva like that IMO.....

giguer · 03-05-2008, 07:40 PM

Love this pics

el rudo · 03-05-2008, 10:55 PM

Thats an awesome pic. Theres space for two more, I wonder who will be his next two victims.

fullonshred · 03-05-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by el rudo

Thats an awesome pic. Theres space for two more, I wonder who will be his next two victims.

He will add the next two heads in the Same fight. He will have to fight two guys at once to generate any interest and suspense.

giguer · 03-06-2008, 01:22 AM

The next head I think will be Okami.

shogun ninja · 03-09-2008, 05:16 PM

That was a grt pic...it is tru that there is no one that pose a treat in the MW right now. but i think the Spider should realize that and move up to LHW and fight some good guys to truly test himself like the way Couture, Sakuraba, Hendo, Royce and the rest of the greats. I'd like to see him against Rampage. That would be an awesome fight but i think Rampage would win. hes too powerful. anyone feeling me?

BCguy · 03-10-2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by shogun ninja

That was a grt pic...it is tru that there is no one that pose a treat in the MW right now. but i think the Spider should realize that and move up to LHW and fight some good guys to truly test himself like the way Couture, Sakuraba, Hendo, Royce and the rest of the greats. I'd like to see him against Rampage. That would be an awesome fight but i think Rampage would win. hes too powerful. anyone feeling me?

Personally i think Silva would beat Rampage. Quinton would stand with Silva and that would be a mistake. Silva is a better boxer and all round better striker than Rampage. But if it did go to the ground , baring some crazy slam , Silva would have his way with him. I would never count Rampage out , but thats how i think it would go.

FightFan76 · 03-10-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BCguy

Personally i think Silva would beat Rampage. Quinton would stand with Silva and that would be a mistake. Silva is a better boxer and all round better striker than Rampage. But if it did go to the ground , baring some crazy slam , Silva would have his way with him. I would never count Rampage out , but thats how i think it would go.

I dunno, I could be wrong but I believe Rampage would be too much for Silva. Having said that, if Silva somehow knocked him out, I would not be terribly suprised.....

earvinarp · 03-10-2008, 02:41 PM

I strongly believe that the UFC should take advantage of the present situation and, if GSP defeats Serra, put him up against Silva. This would be an excellent move for the UFC and the fans. Also, putting them up against each other now, when they are peaking, would prevent travesties such as the Silva-Liddell affair, which, due to losses of both fighters, became a much lesser deal after all.

For many of the fans who have been following mma for a while, GSP-Silva would be the fight that would culminate the present era of this sport. The UFC has a chance to make it happen. Silva has hinted at it.

It would be crazy to pass on this.

FightFan76 · 03-11-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

I strongly believe that the UFC should take advantage of the present situation and, if GSP defeats Serra, put him up against Silva. This would be an excellent move for the UFC and the fans. Also, putting them up against each other now, when they are peaking, would prevent travesties such as the Silva-Liddell affair, which, due to losses of both fighters, became a much lesser deal after all.

For many of the fans who have been following mma for a while, GSP-Silva would be the fight that would culminate the present era of this sport. The UFC has a chance to make it happen. Silva has hinted at it.

It would be crazy to pass on this.

I am gonna have to agree w/ you on this 1 earvinarp, but as far as moving up or down in weight I think it would be better for them to meet at a catch weight such as 175-180. That way they both can maintain their stature and attributes by not having to gain or lose too much weight.....

FatCat · 03-11-2008, 03:56 PM

I don't agree. The way I see it, Silva dominates the 170lb poster boy and he's tainted goods from then on. The fights that GSP lost so far were winnable, he just made mistakes and in one instance, got his revenge. I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell to beat Silva and IMO, GSP's fragile psyche would crumble faster than Rich Franklin's nose did. While it's a dream match and both the UFC, the sport, and the fans will benefit, there's a good chance GSP would become the next David Loiseau after the beating Anderson would give him.

Also, I don't see how people would think that Rampage is so much more powerful than Silva when Dan and Rampage were at a stalemate for 5 rounds and it's fresh in all of out minds what Silva did to Hendo. Silva would have little problem disposing 'Page too.

earvinarp · 03-11-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

I don't agree. The way I see it, Silva dominates the 170lb poster boy and he's tainted goods from then on. The fights that GSP lost so far were winnable, he just made mistakes and in one instance, got his revenge. I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell to beat Silva and IMO, GSP's fragile psyche would crumble faster than Rich Franklin's nose did. While it's a dream match and both the UFC, the sport, and the fans will benefit, there's a good chance GSP would become the next David Loiseau after the beating Anderson would give him.

Also, I don't see how people would think that Rampage is so much more powerful than Silva when Dan and Rampage were at a stalemate for 5 rounds and it's fresh in all of out minds what Silva did to Hendo. Silva would have little problem disposing 'Page too.

I agree with the Page statement.

Now, as far as GSP goes... What you are saying is like justifying Fedor not taking on the big names to keep accumulating wins. A loss to Silva would be no big deal for GSP. If he is now back where he was before losing to Serra, a defeat against Silva would not in any way condition his future in the UFC or the sport for that matter. The basic difference between GSP and Louiseau is in the head, and GSP's is in a much better place that Louiseau's.

FatCat · 03-11-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

I agree with the Page statement.

Now, as far as GSP goes... What you are saying is like justifying Fedor not taking on the big names to keep accumulating wins. A loss to Silva would be no big deal for GSP. If he is now back where he was before losing to Serra, a defeat against Silva would not in any way condition his future in the UFC or the sport for that matter. The basic difference between GSP and Louiseau is in the head, and GSP's is in a much better place that Louiseau's.

See, I'm still not sold on his frame of mind. I think he's gotta get through Serra first, convincingly, before he's the "GSP of old." We've seen the highs and lows of GSP, and he seems to be swayed fairly easily. Suffering a defeat to Silva in the same manner Silva walked through Franklin, would most certainly be a huge setback and at this point and I'm convinced Silva would do just that. GSP has yet to face anyone that he's not capable of beating and I'm curious to see how he'd handle it (getting destroyed by Anderson). I for one think it would ruin him.

shogun ninja · 03-15-2008, 11:50 AM

come on now...i dont see GSP beating Silva in any way. he's too small and The Spider is too good all round fighter. That fight in my mind would be like Mayweather vs Hatton. a truly one sided fight. There is no one in a lower or in the same division that can have a chance with Silva at the moment. i personally wont want to see him dominate GSP if that fight shold ever take place. Gsp is one of my best fighters. Id much rather like to see Silva vs Shogun Rua and then il have to pick Shogun. both their styles match up perfectly and besides every fight is different. Also in my miind i still think Rampage would beat Silva. Every fighter is beatable and Rampage would find a way. Who besides thought he would take out Liddell in the first round? But we will see how it is gonna shape up.