BJ: "Id make Lauzon fight me...."

Pitbull · 03-17-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BCguy

I don't argue that Penn's cardio sometimes is in question. I was more responding to your claim that Penn finished Stevenson early cus he knew his cardio would not hold up. I just find that statement ridiculous and totally unfounded. And it takes away from the dominating performance he showed that night.

Well said, BC.

Most of Earvinarp's posts in this thread are this are ridiculous and unfounded.

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Even in the fight with FF's beloved Din Thomas he was following his game plan and would have finished Thomas anyway, had he not injured himself.

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Probably the first pure TUF product who'll be a clear champ and dominator of a division one day.

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And, if [Kenny] keeps improving as he has, he will be better than BJ, as he has more heart and determination.

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He dispatched Stevenson so fast because he knew he would not be able to handle the 5 rounds.

All of these statements, are extremely biased and have little to no evidence to back them up.

earvinarp · 03-17-2008, 02:09 PM

Pitbull, chill out. Because I caught you putting words in Mirko's mouth in another thread you don't need to go out on a witch hunt in other threads. Not that I care, but it's just immature.

My posts in this thread are intended to further the discussion, whether you agree with them or not. Your last post is useless.

Pitbull · 03-17-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

Pitbull, chill out. Because I caught you putting words in Mirko's mouth in another thread you don't need to go out on a witch hunt in other threads. Not that I care, but it's just immature.

My posts in this thread are intended to further the discussion, whether you agree with them or not. Your last post is useless.

The Mirko thread has nothing to do with this. It's only immature to you, because someone calls you out.

You have a right to your opinion, just like I have a right to respond. When I feel someone is posting misinformation, I'm going to say something about it.

If you're the one doing it, get used to it.

earvinarp · 03-17-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitbull

The Mirko thread has nothing to do with this. It's only immature to you, because someone calls you out.

You have a right to your opinion, just like I have a right to respond. When I feel someone is posting misinformation, I'm going to say something about it.

If you're the one doing it, get used to it.

For how long have you been FF staff?

Pitbull · 03-17-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

For how long have you been FF staff?

What does that have to do with anything?

FightFan76 · 03-17-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitbull

Well said, BC.

Most of Earvinarp's posts in this thread are this are ridiculous and unfounded.

All of these statements, are extremely biased and have little to no evidence to back them up.

I dont really want to bag on earvinharp b/c even though we dont see eye to eye on everything I like him for the most part. Most of the time he really provides good insight about different subjects and does a sufficient job at backing his points up on points that I dont always agree w/. Having said that, it seems like sometimes he lets his biases get in the way of his judgements/post and they can get kind of outlandish at times. But hey, I am sure that I do the same thing at times even though I try not to, hell we all do at some point or another.....

Pitbull · 03-17-2008, 02:44 PM

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I dont really want to bag on earvinharp b/c even though we dont see eye to eye on everything I like him for the most part. Most of the time he really provides good insight about different subjects and does a sufficient job at backing his points up on points that I dont always agree w/. Having said that, it seems like sometimes he lets his biases get in the way of his judgements/post and they can get kind of outlandish at times. But hey, I am sure that I do the same thing at times even though I try not to, hell we all do at some point or another.....

I hear you FightFan. I've seen Earvinarp look at things objectively and post in that manner.

It's the outlandish stuff in this thread that I have disgree with in this thread and decided to respond to.

earvinarp · 03-17-2008, 02:46 PM

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What does that have to do with anything?

I feel that you have more restraint of late, which helps the discussion IMO. Even though we disagree on things I feel like now we can actually reach some sort of "understanding," which in the past we could not.

KungFuGrip · 03-17-2008, 02:50 PM

Glad that behind us. Internet beer for everyone.

You guys are cool in my book.

*breaks tension*

I don't think Joe L will ever beat BJ unless BJ gets old or something.

earvinarp · 03-17-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FightFan76

I dont really want to bag on earvinharp b/c even though we dont see eye to eye on everything I like him for the most part. Most of the time he really provides good insight about different subjects and does a sufficient job at backing his points up on points that I dont always agree w/. Having said that, it seems like sometimes he lets his biases get in the way of his judgements/post and they can get kind of outlandish at times. But hey, I am sure that I do the same thing at times even though I try not to, hell we all do at some point or another.....

Wow, thanks for that. The truth is that I am a bit of a lonely hunter in this forum and while I may be biased in some (or many) of my opinions, I feel others are biased on whom they decide to agree with and whom not.

So, I guess it all compensates. I don't expect Pitbull and BCGuy (to name a few) to not think anything I say is biased, while they should not expect other people to believe their unconditional coalition with each other is solely based on a 100% agreement between them in mma matters.

Pitbull · 03-17-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

I feel that you have more restraint of late, which helps the discussion IMO. Even though we disagree on things I feel like now we can actually reach some sort of "understanding," which in the past we could not.

I have never had a problem coming to an understanding with you, Earvinarp. I have a problem with people making bold claims, speculating, and not bothering to back it up with evidence.

I can agree to disagree with anyone when both sides are presenting their argument with facts to back it up.

BCguy · 03-17-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

Wow, thanks for that. The truth is that I am a bit of a lonely hunter in this forum and while I may be biased in some (or many) of my opinions, I feel others are biased on whom they decide to agree with and whom not.

So, I guess it all compensates. I don't expect Pitbull and BCGuy (to name a few) to not think anything I say is biased, while they should not expect other people to believe their unconditional coalition with each other is solely based on a 100% agreement between them in mma matters.

Yes i can be biased ..... but Earv ..... my whole point here was the comment you made about BJ finishing Stevenson early cus he knew he didnt have the cardio to go 5 rounds. You can't honestly believe that can you ? I then said that you could make the same comparison to A.Silva .... considering he finishes fights fast and never goes the distance. And ... like you normally do , you side stepped the question and got into it with Pitbull. But its all good , we will chalk it up to your sometimes lack of cognitive thinking .... eg. Paul buetello would be a good addition to the UFC HW division.

earvinarp · 03-17-2008, 03:20 PM

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Yes i can be biased ..... but Earv ..... my whole point here was the comment you made about BJ finishing Stevenson early cus he knew he didnt have the cardio to go 5 rounds. You can't honestly believe that can you ? I then said that you could make the same comparison to A.Silva .... considering he finishes fights fast and never goes the distance. And ... like you normally do , you side stepped the question and got into it with Pitbull. But its all good , we will chalk it up to your sometimes lack of cognitive thinking .... eg. Paul buetello would be a good addition to the UFC HW division.

Haha. I still think Buentello would be a good addition. Thanks for reminding me of that.

Anyway, going back to BJ finishing the fight early: Yes, I stand by my words. I believe BJ knows he gets in trouble if the fight goes for too long and he, at least in his last fight, tried to to finish early partly for that reason. Sure enough that was not the main reason. Sure enough a quick fight is better and this and that. But the cardio issue has to be in his head IMO.

I don't know if you saw the Baroni-Hose fight the other day. I thought Baroni did a pretty good job in the first round, pushing the pace in order to finish the fight quickly. God knows I dislike Baroni, but he looked good enough in that first round. Now, he fell short of achieving an early win and he had to basically wait out the fight as he was getting pummeled for 4 rounds.

Now, I know that comparing Baroni with BJ is like comparing Monica Bellucci with Margaret Thatcher, but still, I am pretty sure Phil knew an early ko was his only chance. Why would other fighters not think the same way?

BCguy · 03-17-2008, 03:24 PM

But shouldnt a fighter always try to finish ? Whats the point of doing nothing for 5 rounds to get a decision win ? (Unless your name is sherk). If BJ always went to dec. and won .... he'd get the same treatment Karo gets. Are you implying that some fighters let fights go a little longer and dont try to finish ? And for what reason ? BJ came out , completely dominated Joe for 1 1/2 rounds for no reason other than ..... he can.

earvinarp · 03-17-2008, 06:05 PM

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Are you implying that some fighters let fights go a little longer and dont try to finish ?

The first part of your statement: ABSOLUTELY. I believe some fighters are comfortable (not necessarily want) the fight to go longer as it improves their chances of winning. Sherk is one of them, but there are others. I don't think Couture's main intention was to finish Sylvia after the first 2 rounds of their fight, because he knew he could coast to a decision victory.

As far as "not trying to finish," no, I don't think anyone with a chance to finish a fight does not take it, even though Herring came very close to doing just that against Nog.

fullonshred · 03-18-2008, 12:21 AM

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Haha. I still think Buentello would be a good addition. Thanks for reminding me of that.

Anyway, going back to BJ finishing the fight early: Yes, I stand by my words. I believe BJ knows he gets in trouble if the fight goes for too long and he, at least in his last fight, tried to to finish early partly for that reason. Sure enough that was not the main reason. Sure enough a quick fight is better and this and that. But the cardio issue has to be in his head IMO.

I don't know if you saw the Baroni-Hose fight the other day. I thought Baroni did a pretty good job in the first round, pushing the pace in order to finish the fight quickly. God knows I dislike Baroni, but he looked good enough in that first round. Now, he fell short of achieving an early win and he had to basically wait out the fight as he was getting pummeled for 4 rounds.

Now, I know that comparing Baroni with BJ is like comparing Monica Bellucci with Margaret Thatcher, but still, I am pretty sure Phil knew an early ko was his only chance. Why would other fighters not think the same way?

I really think Earvin's post makes a bit of sense. Now I take absolutely nothing away from BJ Penn's talent - He is easily among the most talented fighters. In addition though, he has been known to gas. Given BJ's two attributes, great skill, and a propensity to gas, I think it makes perfect sense for him to try and use that Skill to Finish Early so he doesn't face the prospect of gassing out later and possibly losing, like he did to Hughes.

For some other fighters with perhaps less overall skill, but much better cardio it makes perfect sense to push the pace in a somewhat cautious manner (to avoid KO, silly sub) and wait for their opponent to wear down and become less dangerous and easier to dispatch, either by stoppage or by decision.

marnold · 03-18-2008, 09:20 AM

BJ is facing a nervous Lauzon from across the cage. "Hey bro, I'm kicking your a$$ because it's good for you. I'm doing you a favor when I kick your a$$. Understand?"
Lauzon looks at the ground, walks forward and mumbles "No."

Bomber · 03-18-2008, 09:42 AM

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Anyway, going back to BJ finishing the fight early: Yes, I stand by my words. I believe BJ knows he gets in trouble if the fight goes for too long and he, at least in his last fight, tried to to finish early partly for that reason.

BJ tries to finish everyone every time. That's all there is to it. Anyway, it would have been an extreme act of cruelty to beat on poor Joe for any longer. Amnesty International would have been looking to shut down MMA for cruelty.