Manny's cheap shot *GIF*

Gooner · 04-04-2008, 09:54 AM

I just caught the un-aired prelim Gamburyan vs. Cox and as expected, Manny got the submission quickly.
But here's how the fight started...

Reminiscent of what Tanner did against Loiseau (except that I think they actually touched gloves before Tanner bumrushed Loiseau - and ended up getting his face smashed).
In conclusion, yeah, it's not against the rules and it didn't affect the outcome of the fight for sure, but it is unsportsmanlike and me no likey.

Personally not a big fan of the whole Armenia-trio, so Roman and Karo losing more than made up for this one.

nublood · 04-04-2008, 10:07 AM

Hmmm... I don't know about that. That seemed kind of a cheap tactic to me because they didn't even touch gloves. Manny doesn't need cheap shots like that to get an advantage over his opponent either. He's better than that.

T-Bone · 04-04-2008, 10:09 AM

Ya know...I'm gonna agree with everything you wrote and thanks for posting the cheap mini manny gif - hadn't seen any of that fight.

The moral of the story - don't trust your opponents...especially those Armenians.

Saskabush · 04-04-2008, 10:27 AM

That was brutal. I would have almost rather seen Manny lose than Karo.

Gygax · 04-04-2008, 10:40 AM

Completely agree. I saw the fight last night as well. That was complete crap from Manny. Its not like Cox out his hand out and Manny didn't. I've lost a lot of respect for him with that garbage.

And before anyone whines that it was a fight and it doesn't say in the rules that they have to touch gloves, it was Manny making like he was going to touch and then pulling back as he through the sidekick that was cheap.

spillana · 04-04-2008, 11:21 AM

Completley agree. Can't wait til Gamburyan gets beat down.

Rumbin · 04-04-2008, 11:30 AM

No rule states you must touch gloves, if a guy puts his hand out hes basically not defending himself and is fair game if the clock is running.

Not dirty at all

EDIT: Plus it looked like the intent was to touch which is good enough for me. I would prefer if they like casually waved or blew kisses at each other instead of touched gloves every round.

WarDawg · 04-04-2008, 11:31 AM

Never cared for Manny. Especailly his cousin Karo after his showing with Nate on the TUF show. What a bunch of jerks. Great skills but that about sums it up. WarDawg

opsy · 04-04-2008, 11:42 AM

marnold · 04-04-2008, 11:45 AM

Wow, this is a breach in honor. I don't care what the rules state. Warren Sapp did nothing illegal in hitting Green Bay Packers' Chad Clifton, but it was wrong.

Rumbin · 04-04-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by marnold

Wow, this is a breach in honor. I don't care what the rules state. Warren Sapp did nothing illegal in hitting Green Bay Packers' Chad Clifton, but it was wrong.

Its not a moral issue, its a rules issue. Warren Sapp didnt break any rule, he was blocking someone, I dont care if its 5 yards away or 50 yards away. I played football for 9 years and the coaches would flip out if we didnt hit whistle to whistle or find someone to pop on every play, especially fumble and INT returns.

Manny did nothing, and thats why Rogan and Goldy didnt even mention it.

Cuts O Meat · 04-04-2008, 12:27 PM

What the hell is Manny doing kicking with those 2foot long legs?

I hope someone does that back to him soon.

Gygax · 04-04-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rumbin

No rule states you must touch gloves, if a guy puts his hand out hes basically not defending himself and is fair game if the clock is running.

Not dirty at all

EDIT: Plus it looked like the intent was to touch which is good enough for me. I would prefer if they like casually waved or blew kisses at each other instead of touched gloves every round.

You're completely wrong here. You are correct that there is no such rule, thus Manny easily could have circled the ring to start the fight, even if his opponent put out his glove to touch. Much like Anderson Silva. Or he could have bum rushed right across the ring and attacked even if Cox put up his glove. That would be more than fair. But by making like he was going to touch gloves but pulled back at the last second to land the kick is cheap, plain and simple. In fact, Manny initiated the touch by raising his hand first, signaling his willingness to perform the move.

Personally, the touch of gloves at the start of each round is overdone and useless. So Anderson Silva bypassing it when he started the fight with Henderson was fine. But using the motion to get an advantage is cheap.

washedbutch · 04-04-2008, 12:40 PM

One of the biggest unwritten rules in sports is sportsmanship. You don't need rules for things like this, it's assumed. Classless acts like Manny's just piss me off, i don't care if it's not in the rules. As for defending what Warren Sapp did, there is nothing you could say that would make what he did sit well with me. It's well known around the NFL that Warren Sapp is not liked by players, media, and most fans. What made what he did so horrendous was he celebrated the hit, celebrated the injury basically, and thats classless.No coach with class will ever tell you do something like that, now back to Manny. After seeing this, fighters will remember this and learn from it. I hope he tries some crap like that again and someone catches him, karma is a biatch. Sports need sportsmanship, he should watch the Little League W.S. and those 10-12 year olds will teach him a thing or 2 about sportsmanship

T-Bone · 04-04-2008, 12:47 PM

I just saw the whole fight.

Right after that cheap crap, Goldberg said, "Manny's been waiting weeks to open the fight like that."

So lame.

Too bad Cox didn't step on him.

Bomber · 04-04-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gygax

You're completely wrong here. You are correct that there is no such rule, thus Manny easily could have circled the ring to start the fight, even if his opponent put out his glove to touch. Much like Anderson Silva. Or he could have bum rushed right across the ring and attacked even if Cox put up his glove. That would be more than fair. But by making like he was going to touch gloves but pulled back at the last second to land the kick is cheap, plain and simple. In fact, Manny initiated the touch by raising his hand first, signaling his willingness to perform the move.

Personally, the touch of gloves at the start of each round is overdone and useless. So Anderson Silva bypassing it when he started the fight with Henderson was fine. But using the motion to get an advantage is cheap.

Thanks Gygax, you saved me a lot of writing.

I couldn't agree more, you nailed it.

I've never liked Manny. I don't like the way he mouths off, I don't like his fighting style and this latest thing is the worst. I can't wait for him to start fighting some tougher guys. He'll end up in the WEC FW division IMO.

theEmpiric · 04-04-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gygax

You're completely wrong here. You are correct that there is no such rule, thus Manny easily could have circled the ring to start the fight, even if his opponent put out his glove to touch. Much like Anderson Silva. Or he could have bum rushed right across the ring and attacked even if Cox put up his glove. That would be more than fair. But by making like he was going to touch gloves but pulled back at the last second to land the kick is cheap, plain and simple. In fact, Manny initiated the touch by raising his hand first, signaling his willingness to perform the move.

Personally, the touch of gloves at the start of each round is overdone and useless. So Anderson Silva bypassing it when he started the fight with Henderson was fine. But using the motion to get an advantage is cheap.

i coudlnt agree more.

i honestly dont see how anyone can even argue otherwise?

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 04-04-2008, 01:21 PM

I agree it was classless. If you raise your glove to someone to signal you want to touch it, then you should touch it and then fight. I would rather touch it then step back a little, and fight, but now I will probably never touch gloves.

Gooner · 04-04-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by theEmpiric

i coudlnt agree more.

i honestly dont see how anyone can even argue otherwise?

Yeah.
But I knew some people would.

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Originally Posted by Rumbin

Its not a moral issue, its a rules issue.

Like I mentioned in the first post, everyone knows it's not against the rules.

Clearly it's not a "rules issue".
I'd understand if a primitive robot came to that conclusion, but let's be real here.
You can play by the rules and still be unsportsmanlike. Period.

T-Bone · 04-04-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

I agree it was classless. If you raise your glove to someone to signal you want to touch it, then you should touch it and then fight. I would rather touch it then step back a little, and fight, but now I will probably never touch gloves.

Even against Hemdoz? Or is it especially against Hemdoz?

Still no video...