I posted this before, but this thread has a purpose for it.
I would always tell the opponents team/management that after the initial glove touch with the ref in the center, is enough.
I think the whole glove touch thing is a distraction and confusing. Someone might be there to fight and then you got this touch my glove again stuff.
Seriously a distraction, I dont see what the big deal is. As far as confusion goes 1 guy will acknowledge his opponent b/4 they engage and raise his hand signaling to ask if the opponent wants to touch gloves (which is what Manny did do) and if the guy nods yes they touch gloves, if he nods no or not all then they dont touch, I dont see where that is confusing.....
Seriously a distraction, I dont see what the big deal is. As far as confusion goes 1 guy will acknowledge his opponent b/4 they engage and raise his hand signaling to ask if the opponent wants to touch gloves (which is what Manny did do) and if the guy nods yes they touch gloves, if he nods no or not all then they dont touch, I dont see where that is confusing.....
Its confusing to the fighters who are coming out to fight aggressive. For instance when BJ fought Uno and when Herring Fought Kongo. The outcomes of those fights could be very different if more glove touching was initiated right in the begining. Say you trying to come out and swing and then you got a guy singeling you for a glove touch. When the ref says "lets get it on" means "it's time to fight". You can't be going from fight mode, to friendly mode and back to fight mode for what?, a little. added "sportsmanship". Don't get me wrong if your having a friendly spar or at the end of a 5rd war, touch gloves, whatever. At least thats how I feel on it. It's really a personal preference anyway.
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Why not do what the do in boxing? At the "staredown" the Ref says "now touch gloves and come out fighting." Best way to handle it. Touch gloves only during the staredown, and then when the action starts - FIGHT!
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Its confusing to the fighters who are coming out to fight aggressive. For instance when BJ fought Uno and when Herring Fought Kongo. The outcomes of those fights could be very different if more glove touching was initiated right in the begining. Say you trying to come out and swing and then you got a guy singeling you for a glove touch. When the ref says "lets get it on" means "it's time to fight". You can't be going from fight mode, to friendly mode and back to fight mode for what?, a little. added "sportsmanship". Don't get me wrong if your having a friendly spar or at the end of a 5rd war, touch gloves, whatever. At least thats how I feel on it. It's really a personal preference anyway.
Ok I see what your point is but the signaling takes place b/4 the ref says whatever he says to initiate the fight and if the opponent dose not want to touch b/c he is ready to fight or any other reason then all he has to do is shake his head no and then they will begin as soon as the ref initiates the start of the fight.....
Ok I see what your point is but the signaling takes place b/4 the ref says whatever he says to initiate the fight and if the opponent dose not want to touch b/c he is ready to fight or any other reason then all he has to do is shake his head no and then they will begin as soon as the ref initiates the start of the fight.....
I never notice that before. I'm sure it's true in some cases. I'll have to watch the fights more closely in the beggining.
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Does anyone remember the fight between Eugene Jackson and Keiichiro Yamamiya from UFC 23?? Its on one of the UFC HITS DVDs and while i have'nt counted, it must have the most "touch of gloves" of any fight.
This is one of the things I hate is when a guy tries to get a cheap shot in on the glove touch, I mean if you don't want to touch make it be known by not sticking your hand out, but to stick your arm out then go for a kick? Was that really necessary against a guy you are heavily favored to beat? Karo has rubbed me the wrong way a bunch of times with his comments(Who is Jon Fitch?, etc) and it seems Manny is in the same mold!
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I just caught the un-aired prelim Gamburyan vs. Cox and as expected, Manny got the submission quickly.
But here's how the fight started...
Reminiscent of what Tanner did against Loiseau (except that I think they actually touched gloves before Tanner bumrushed Loiseau - and ended up getting his face smashed).
In conclusion, yeah, it's not against the rules and it didn't affect the outcome of the fight for sure, but it is unsportsmanlike and me no likey.
Personally not a big fan of the whole Armenia-trio, so Roman and Karo losing more than made up for this one.
I kind of feel like he pulled back on the kick once he realized what he did. You can see it in the gif. He was probably a little over excited. I didn't do it hard.
I kind of feel like he pulled back on the kick once he realized what he did. You can see it in the gif. He was probably a little over excited. I didn't do it hard.
He did not pull back. He went right back to follow up.
Manny is a classless person. So is Karo. That family is bad news. It is a terrible combination of low class, low education, low IQ and high fighting ability. A terrible, terrible combination. Once their fighting days are over, I bet you one of the two gets shot sooner or later.
I would do a reality show on the whole damn family. Let them kill each other on camera.
He did not pull back. He went right back to follow up.
Manny is a classless person. So is Karo. That family is bad news. It is a terrible combination of low class, low education, low IQ and high fighting ability. A terrible, terrible combination. Once their fighting days are over, I bet you one of the two gets shot sooner or later.
I would do a reality show on the whole damn family. Let them kill each other on camera.
Just so you know Karo called Thiago and his coach after the match and apologized for his behavior. So just to do that takes some class.
Just so you know Karo called Thiago and his coach after the match and apologized for his behavior. So just to do that takes some class.
I didn't know that. You don't have a link to that by chance? I rather it be Manny and crew apolygizing if anything. Your right it does take class when you realize after the fact you made a mistake.
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I didn't know that. You don't have a link to that by chance? I rather it be Manny and crew apolygizing if anything. Your right it does take class when you realize after the fact you made a mistake.
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Thiago "Pit bull" Alves improved his professional mixed martial arts record to 14-3-0 and his Ultimate Fighting Championship resume to 8-2-0 by finishing top five ranked Karo "The Heat" Parisyan at UFC Fight Night 13.
Since losing to Jon Fitch in June of 2006, Alves has reeled off five wins in-a-row solidifying himself as a contender in the UFC welterweight division.
"I'm really, really happy and one step closer to the belt," Alves told MMAWeekly.
Alves was tentative in the opening round against Parisyan, but in the closing minute of the first stanza Alves found his range. 34 seconds into round two, Alves dropped Parisyan with a well placed knee and finished him by follow-up strikes.
"I always think of a fight as a fifteen minute fight," said the American Top Team trained fighter. "You've got fifteen minutes to fight, so figure it out, see what he's got and then do something. Feel him out, feel his strength and speed and then take over. That was pretty much the game plan."
Parisyan was able to take Alves down in the first round, but Alves avoided damage and was able to work his way back to his feet. "I was very comfortable everywhere," said Alves. "He took me down, but here's the thing. I train with the best grapplers in the world. There was nothing he could do that I haven't seen before, so I was just taking my time waiting for him to move. As soon as he moved, I'd move back and got right back up."
"I knew as soon as I started to push him and pick up the pace, moving my feet and everything, he couldn't keep up, so it was just a matter of time."
The victory over Parisyan was the biggest win of 24-year-old fighter's career. Alves commented, "Karo was the biggest guy I ever fought. No disrespect to my other opponents, but he's the top guy in the ring that I've ever fought before, so that was the biggest fight for me."
Some thought the referee stoppage was premature, but Alves was not one of them. "As soon as I threw the knee, if you put it in slow motion and replay it, he dropped fast," stated Alves. "He woke up because I kept punching him in the face. That's why he woke up. I think the referee did a great job."
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Alves attributes his success to work ethic. He said, "Hard work pays off. It's a big accomplishment for me. I went there, did my work. Did what I was supposed to do and look forward to the next one."
With the win over Parisyan behind him, Alves looks forward to getting back to the grind and getting back in the octagon. "I hope by June or July I want to be back in the octagon."
jus reading the lates edition of fight magazine and there is a big section on the unified rules of mma:
"Foul No.18: any unsportsmanlilke conduct that causes injury". to me mannys cheap shot fulfils both these criteria as it was certainly unsportsmanlike and an unexpected kick to the ribs has got to hurt. so to me it was illegal.
In many sports behavior isn't just a preference, but it is a rule. Prolonged celebrations and spiking the football after a touchdown in the NFL will get you a yellow flag. Crying over calls in MLB gets you an early shower. I don't think that MMA should be any different. It is not just a fight. It is a sport. Two knuckleheads at the corner pub punching each other in the face is just a fight. What Manny did was a disgrace to himself, the UFC, his team, and MMA in general.
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I never notice that before. I'm sure it's true in some cases. I'll have to watch the fights more closely in the beggining.
That is what happens most of the time any way. I was gonna put a link on here from that fight showing Manny signalling but the 1 I watched did not give a clear shot of it b/4 the ref initiated the fight; I believe there was 1 somewhere on the forums showing him signal but I am not sure.....
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it seems like mannny kinda anticipated the touch (like a defensive lineman anticipates the snap count) and he wanted to be sure to get an early shot in, it doesnt look like he even pulls back he just goes for the kick
i think he realized that there was no touch while he was doing the kick and tried to pull that back (kinda like a d-lineman misjudging the snap count and jumping into the neutral zone)
i cant reallly consider it an intentional cheap shot..sorry guys
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