Official GSP vs. Serra thread ......

giguer · 04-21-2008, 06:46 PM

Oh and finally Huerta was in is corner. That nice to see 2 man with heart to be there . Maybe they will train together. What do you think?

2 of my best fighter together nice nice.

T-Bone · 04-21-2008, 09:32 PM

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Saying that the first fight was a fluke is plain and simply retarded. You guys seem to forget that GSP makes EVERYBODY look like an amateur. In Serra-GSP 1, it was Serra that made GSP look like the amateur.

Yup, the lucky punch, fluke, GSP's personal problems....blah blah blah It is pretty ridiculous. Serra beat GSP and had the belt to prove it, right sub?

The other day, GSP did the smart thing and took Serra down. He knew he shouldn't risk staying on his feet. He's a bright guy - learns from his mistakes. I was rooting for Serra but I respect GSP. Among the reasons - he acknowledged that the interim belt was bulls hit and said he'd be happy to give Serra another shot - this time in New York if they ever get sanctioning b/c Serra came to Canada.

FatCat · 04-21-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jxl301

Okay, submission grappling, but isn't that BJJ? If it is, then they must have taught him, at some point, how to defend strikes. Just saying...

The words of GSP himself:

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“My plan going into the fight was to put him on his back and work some ground and pound,” St. Pierre said at the post-fight press conference for UFC 83. “I wanted to stay on top and constantly pressure him. I wanted to be relentless. I thought that Serra giving up his back might have been an attempt to turn the fight into a jiu-jitsu match. Matt’s a world-champion grappler, I wasn’t going to buy into his game.”

You can't make this **** up.

jxl301 · 04-22-2008, 12:20 AM

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For the love of god, the first match wasn't luck. If anything it was a lack of respect for Serra's stand-up and lack of a gameplan on GSP's part. I like Serra's chances a lot if the fight stays on the feet, Serra's got a good chin and vastly improved stand-up.

Fine, that's your opinion. Mine is it was luck. It was an obvious punch to the back of GSP's head. That's a fact. LOL funny stuff on the "lack of a gameplan" theory. I don't think many fighters gameplan against a strike to the back of the head in the opening minutes of a fight. To each his own.

jxl301 · 04-22-2008, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

The words of GSP himself:

You can't make this **** up.

And that has what to do with my quote you selected?

You said that GSP dominated, but didn't beat Serra at his own game. I understood that to mean that GSP didn't beat Serra at his own game like Serra had done to GSP (which Serra did not). That's why I said what I said in my first comment. I understand wrestling and BJJ are not the same, but they do take place on the ground. Which is why I said what I said... I didn't mean that GSP had beaten Serra at his own game.

Then you went off on some other stuff about BJJ doesn't teach you to defend strikes and that GSP beat Serra in the conditioning game. Now this quote from GSP. I'm confused. If I misinterpeted your first statement let me know so we can end this discussion now.

Gooner · 04-22-2008, 06:16 AM

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And that has what to do with my quote you selected?

You said that GSP dominated, but didn't beat Serra at his own game. I understood that to mean that GSP didn't beat Serra at his own game like Serra had done to GSP (which Serra did not). That's why I said what I said in my first comment. I understand wrestling and BJJ are not the same, but they do take place on the ground. Which is why I said what I said... I didn't mean that GSP had beaten Serra at his own game.

Then you went off on some other stuff about BJJ doesn't teach you to defend strikes and that GSP beat Serra in the conditioning game. Now this quote from GSP. I'm confused. If I misinterpeted your first statement let me know so we can end this discussion now.

Oh give it up already.
You clearly implied that GSP beat Serra at his own game and once it was pointed out how you were wrong, you started backtracking.
Yet also posting some link to how JJ also defends against strikes. LOL.

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Definitely not GSP "beating Serra at his own game", but it was total domination.

Serra's game IS the ground game, if I'm not mistaken.

You took out that one sentence from FatCat's long post and disagreed with it, right?

Everyone else knows what your point was, but you're too big of a man to accept it yourself apparently.
GSP disagreed with you, everyone else with MM-knowledge disagrees with you, you were wrong, deal with it. This is getting embarrassing.

FatCat · 04-22-2008, 09:21 AM

^^ Thanks Gooner.

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Fine, that's your opinion. Mine is it was luck. It was an obvious punch to the back of GSP's head. That's a fact. LOL funny stuff on the "lack of a gameplan" theory. I don't think many fighters gameplan against a strike to the back of the head in the opening minutes of a fight. To each his own.

It was lack of a gameplan. He thought he could come in and dominate Serra in every facet of the fight game, and got KTFO. This time he had a very specific gameplan and walked away the victor.

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Then you went off on some other stuff about BJJ doesn't teach you to defend strikes and that GSP beat Serra in the conditioning game. Now this quote from GSP. I'm confused. If I misinterpeted your first statement let me know so we can end this discussion now.

Never said that BJJ doesn't teach you to defend strikes, I was talking about submission grappling. There are no strikes to defend, which is what Matt Serra is a world champion at, i.e. "his game".

GSP grounded and pounded a victory by wearing Serra down, he said it himself. The quote just drives the point home even further. He didn't beat Serra at his own game, in fact he says he refused to play Serra's game. What's so hard to understand there?

FightFan76 · 04-22-2008, 11:37 AM

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^^ Thanks Gooner.

It was lack of a gameplan. He thought he could come in and dominate Serra in every facet of the fight game, and got KTFO. This time he had a very specific gameplan and walked away the victor.

Never said that BJJ doesn't teach you to defend strikes, I was talking about submission grappling. There are no strikes to defend, which is what Matt Serra is a world champion at, i.e. "his game".

GSP grounded and pounded a victory by wearing Serra down, he said it himself. The quote just drives the point home even further. He didn't beat Serra at his own game, in fact he says he refused to play Serra's game. What's so hard to understand there?

That is exactly what he told Kenny after the fight.....

jxl301 · 04-22-2008, 03:14 PM

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Oh give it up already.
You clearly implied that GSP beat Serra at his own game and once it was pointed out how you were wrong, you started backtracking.
Yet also posting some link to how JJ also defends against strikes. LOL.

You took out that one sentence from FatCat's long post and disagreed with it, right?

Everyone else knows what your point was, but you're too big of a man to accept it yourself apparently.
GSP disagreed with you, everyone else with MM-knowledge disagrees with you, you were wrong, deal with it. This is getting embarrassing.

Maybe my response to his first post should have been Serra didn't beat GSP at his game the first fight.

"Defintely not GSP "beating Serra at his own game" was his quote.

Let me try this again... I said Serra's game IS the ground game. With that I was implying his type of fighting style is ground-based, hence, GSP beat him at his game more than Serra did at his, but not that GSP beat Serra at his game. I maybe should have explained this in exact detail as to not have people jumping on me telling me I'm not man enough to admit I was wrong, when this clearly is not a right or wrong issue. Unless I say "GSP beat Serra at his game", don't assume I did. I hope you got it this time Gooner, MC and whoever else assumed I said what I said, lol.

Gooner, I suggest you read my posts on this thread. Specifically my second regarding MC's post. Also, read my reply to you earlier in the thread where I say in a sence GSP did beat Serra at his game, but technicaly, NO he did not. We can play this game all day, so try to tell me more on what I was thinking and implying because you'd just be wrong. Have a nice day and God bless

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riversideblues · 04-22-2008, 04:17 PM

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So when a wrestler takes down a BJJ guy and pounds him out, you consider that "beating him at his own game"?
Luck had nothing to do with it.
Serra knew GSP was probably gonna try to dance around and strike with him like he had done with Hughes. His whole gameplan was to step in there and catch him, which he did.
GSP is the better fighter and would win most of the times they would meet, but that doesn't mean it was a lucky shot.

Yeah, I had to defend this like a madman after GSP-Serra 1
Sorry but GSP was making major mistakes in the way he was leaning to avoid punches and what did Serra do? He did what anyone with a good boxing mind would do, hit him where he kept moving to

I didn't see their second fight, but the first was no lucky punch

ChipShank · 04-22-2008, 06:14 PM

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Let me try this again... I said Serra's game IS the ground game. With that I was implying his type of fighting style is ground-based, hence, GSP beat him at his game more than Serra did at his, but not that GSP beat Serra at his game. I maybe should have explained this in exact detail as to not have people jumping on me telling me I'm not man enough to admit I was wrong, when this clearly is not a right or wrong issue. Unless I say "GSP beat Serra at his game", don't assume I did. I hope you got it this time Gooner, MC and whoever else assumed I said what I said, lol.

Yeah, in all fairness..."most" people would tend to split MMA into 2 categories. Standup & Ground fighting. I suppose that the Clinch could technically be a third...though it does exist in the standup realm. So it's not SOOOOO out there to imply that GSP beat Serra in his "world" so too speak. Serra may be BJJ and Georges more of a wrestling style....but in the end, it all takes place on the mat.
Which honestly should not have surprised anyone all that much. Go through GSP's history & though he does some flashy spinning kicks & superman punches & what not...from even his earliest fights, he was often looking for the takedown very early in the match. His standup has almost always served as a way for him to eventually get the fight to the ground.

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Sorry but GSP was making major mistakes in the way he was leaning to avoid punches and what did Serra do? He did what anyone with a good boxing mind would do, hit him where he kept moving to

It's funny, but GSP alluded to something like that in one post-fight interview...UFC press conference maybe...saying that he has trouble sometimes with shorter fighters. He mentioned that he will sometimes have a bad habit of leaning in too much when punching down at the shorter guy & it leaves him open for those types of shots. You can see it happen in the Sherk fight as well, but he never paid the price for it in that one.

FightFan76 · 04-22-2008, 10:58 PM

I am just glad that GSP got the job done this time and got the monkey off of his back.....

Daniel · 04-23-2008, 08:42 AM

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I am just glad that GSP got the job done this time and got the monkey off of his back.....

matches that we want. WAR GSP. I'm looking forward to his title reign.

Same here, mate. I was hoping for GSP during the first fight. I didn't like Serra much because he beat Shonie, who I'm a fanboy for even though he lets me down time and time again. So why did I stand up and yell, "YES!" when Serra knocked out GSP? God knows. Maybe it was just the childish side of me reveling in the chaos that was: a man nameless to the mainstream audience of MMA taking down the man most believed to be the division, or the world's, most dynamic fighter. It was an exciting, filthy, delicious moment, like when you're sleeping and dreaming of peeing, those few sweet seconds before you wake up warm. Now that GSP has reclaimed his title and redeemed his loss, it's like a fresh set of bedclothes. Now the division can move forward and give us the matches we want to see.

But actually...I'm looking forward to Hughes vs Serra just as much as anything in the WW div.

subgenius · 04-23-2008, 10:26 AM

We all know that GSP can win the title, but can he keep it. Matt Hughes said something about that before Serra-GSP 1. Now, GSP is the undisputed champion yet again. Can he defend it? We shall see. I hope that the UFC finds a good opponent for GSP and does not hand him a lower level fighter.

OneBigThrow · 04-23-2008, 11:07 AM

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matches that we want. WAR GSP. I'm looking forward to his title reign.

Same here, mate. I was hoping for GSP during the first fight. I didn't like Serra much because he beat Shonie, who I'm a fanboy for even though he lets me down time and time again. So why did I stand up and yell, "YES!" when Serra knocked out GSP? God knows. Maybe it was just the childish side of me reveling in the chaos that was: a man nameless to the mainstream audience of MMA taking down the man most believed to be the division, or the world's, most dynamic fighter. It was an exciting, filthy, delicious moment, like when you're sleeping and dreaming of peeing, those few sweet seconds before you wake up warm. Now that GSP has reclaimed his title and redeemed his loss, it's like a fresh set of bedclothes. Now the division can move forward and give us the matches we want to see.

haha this is one of the best posts i have ever read on fight forum.

so bad yet so good