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Originally Posted by MTKrav911
YEah, but we weren't there prior to 9/11 is the biggest point I'm making. THe threat originated there, now we're there (rightfully or not I'm not arguing that), and we have to stay there until either they change, or we win.
I don't subscribe to the notion that Americans have to change our view of Radical Muslims. It's Radical Muslims that must change and become part of a peaceful society. I don't believe we're the bad guy just because we're there. Again, if you didnt want us there, then 9/11 should never have been executed.
I feel the real tragedy of all this, is again the Clinton Administration. I don't fault him for 911 directly. I fault his policies of not retaliating enough against Al Qaeda in the 90's. The first Trade CEnter Bombing in 93 and the USS Cole attack in 98. This sent a clear message that The U.S. won't retaliate. So AL Qaeda became bigger. Enough to execute 9/11.
Now they know not only will we retaliate? But we'll shut down your finances here by tearing up suspcious Muslim charities that laundered terrorist funds, etc. But, that we also will maintain a presence. Right in Mecca. And won't leave until it's time.
Mammoth, I don't totally disagree wi th you, and know I'm a bit righty on my military viewpoints anyway. But I also am voting McCain becasue he's the only true moderate with a long history of voting both sides of the aisle. Sometimes(Many Times) to the furor of the very Right Neo Con Republicans who I hope all basically die.
I'm willing to give teh old man with Experience 4 years, rather than a kid with no experience.
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The threat originated from there? Iraq?
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Again, if you didnt want us there, then 9/11 should never have been executed.
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Are you serious?
I would understand a 7 year old (or maybe Dubya) saying something like that, but geez...
What does "win" even mean? How is that possible? You kill all the "terrorists"?
They're not gonna run out of those any time soon. I think the numbers are probably increasing tbh.
I'm sure the current administration would actually love having permanent bases in there, but I just can't see it happening. All this talk about "leaving would mean surrendering to terror" is so ridiculous. This fiasco will end the same way Vietnam did, whether you like it or not. It might take a couple of decades, but I'll be here to say "I told you so" when it does. If FF is still up running...
And if you want them to "change" it'll probably take longer than McCain's famous 100 years. Besides, keeping the troops there is unlikely to make that change happen any faster. Quite the opposite.