Favorite submission?

basslogic4003 · 07-01-2008, 09:46 PM

I love attacks from under side control. When you bump up and slide the inside knee across his hip and throw the outside leg over his head, aka, "legwork", many times your opponent will leave his arm in for a moment before working around to the opposite side. If you can catch that arm, you can nail the armbar. Also, if you bump and get the same legwork going, you can figure 4 your legs in a weird reverse upside down triangle. You probably won't finish the triangle, but the good old fashioned Ken Shamrock toehold is right there for the taking....got it 3 times tonight

I think that the reason these are so effective is because you go from a purely defensive position directly into attack mode, catching your opponent, who at this point has probably lulled himself into complacency at having passed your guard, completely off... uuummm....guard?

GeorgeXVX · 07-01-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by basslogic4003

I love attacks from under side control. When you bump up and slide the inside knee across his hip and throw the outside leg over his head, aka, "legwork", many times your opponent will leave his arm in for a moment before working around to the opposite side. If you can catch that arm, you can nail the armbar. Also, if you bump and get the same legwork going, you can figure 4 your legs in a weird reverse upside down triangle. You probably won't finish the triangle, but the good old fashioned Ken Shamrock toehold is right there for the taking....got it 3 times tonight

I think that the reason these are so effective is because you go from a purely defensive position directly into attack mode, catching your opponent, who at this point has probably lulled himself into complacency at having passed your guard, completely off... uuummm....guard?

haha great post... not to be a dick but this is an example of catch wrestling adapted to BJJ work.

basslogic4003 · 07-02-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeXVX

haha great post... not to be a dick but this is an example of catch wrestling adapted to BJJ work.

Hey man, not being a dick! Matt taught us a sambo-esque double leg directly into kneebar tonight....or is that catch wrestling? I dunno, I just like my fighting on the ground

GeorgeXVX · 07-02-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by basslogic4003

Hey man, not being a dick! Matt taught us a sambo-esque double leg directly into kneebar tonight....or is that catch wrestling? I dunno, I just like my fighting on the ground

haha that is straight catch wrestling... Granted ground fighting is ground fighting and its not like you have to pick one and do just that... it all rules... thats why i have so much respect for top level BJJ guys like my sig says.... but yeah a lot of guys in the mid late 90's started working lots of catch wrestling into their games... Gracie's were not to be left behind either. Erik Pulson (best catch wrestler ever IMO) has a black belt under a gracie and is a big reason so much catch wrestling is getting crossed over into BJJ. This by no means is a bad thing. In like 10 more years catch wrestling will probably fade out all together and all the best moves will be mixed with all the best BJJ moves and simply be a hybrid of both being called BJJ. Not that that is a bad thing though. Just is what it is. Gotta love rolling!

Prestige · 07-23-2008, 12:22 PM

I would go with triangle because even if your opponent gets out it take much more energy to get out than it does for you to hold on. It is also very easy to transition to shoulder locks and arm bars as well as the ability to arm lock and wrist lock from inside the triangle. Look up "ryan triangle hall" on youtube, he has been working on his leg locks alot but his triangles are sick, I have rolled with him many times and found myself in triangles without knowing fully how I got there.

MickTaig · 08-20-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Peniel

This isn't a choke.
The right fore arm goes on top of the head.
The left hand goes on the chin.
The right hand grasps the left fore arm.
The left hand turns the chin out to your left.
Your opponents head will be facing his right shoulder.
To initiate the move, you grab the top of the head like your are pulling it down into a knee strike. After the head is in position you slide the forearm over almost to the elbow so as to produce maximum downward force on to the top of the head. Turning the chin outward at the same time so it doesn't come into contact chest and block the move.

The defense against this move is to move the hand from the chin allowing the chin to rest on the chest. That is why you hold the left forearm in place by grabbing it with the right hand.
This is what we call a torsion movement. It places th body into an unnatural position and applies pressure.
Placing the body in an unnatural position first allows for less application of pressure to dislocate or separate joints or in this case vertebrae.
This is a relatively simple movement. It takes some specialized conditioning and close instruction until it is mastered but is one of the easiest and more effective moves.
This is an original movement we have devised, I have never seen it used by any one else.
It has no name, it is only identified by its function.
For example; forward torsion bow from the guard, top or bottom.
Most of our submissions are executed from passive positions. This is our specialty when it comes to ground work.
Your opponent is most vulnerable just before he thinks he has you in submission.
If some one asks you where you learned this move, I would appreciate some of the credit. ha ha
It took much more time to perfect this move than it did to explain it here.

I'm envisioning it as a combination of a can opener and neck crank.....

I like the chokes, rear naked, triangle, gogoplata. When you get a choke sunk in well you know your opponent is thinking his eyes are about to burst.

jyd94 · 08-20-2008, 12:55 PM

Peruvian neck tie. Wrestlers give me issues as I was never one, So this is perfect. Not to mention I was in Peru in June and my teacher is Peruvian. WAR TONY DESOUSA!!!!!!

basslogic4003 · 08-20-2008, 06:20 PM

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Peruvian neck tie. Wrestlers give me issues as I was never one, So this is perfect. Not to mention I was in Peru in June and my teacher is Peruvian. WAR TONY DESOUSA!!!!!!

Ha! I got a college wrestling coach with this last night! It's definitely a good one

stillstanding · 08-20-2008, 10:59 PM

One of my favorite submissions is wrestling based. It can be done countering a single or double leg takedown. With a single leg takedown on say the left leg: put your hand on the inside of the head and push out or put the elbow on the center of the back. With her left hand (as it corisponds with the left leg) slip an underhook and grap your opposite wrist. This creates a fulcrum and you are able to reverse the takedown. When going down you will land in a side control like state, when going down slip your hips under his head and keep your legs on his opposite arm (don't let go of the original left underhook). When you land you will be in a reverse crucifix with access to a straight armbar. And with the leverage they have they can not do anything. Two submissions at the same time. One crushes all breathing and the other is on the arm.

I know this is really hard to understand. Sorry. But this is by far my favorite sub.

I also like to transwer off my back with a triangle to an armbar to a omaplatta. It just feels comfortable.

basslogic4003 · 08-21-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by stillstanding

One of my favorite submissions is wrestling based. It can be done countering a single or double leg takedown. With a single leg takedown on say the left leg: put your hand on the inside of the head and push out or put the elbow on the center of the back. With her left hand (as it corisponds with the left leg) slip an underhook and grap your opposite wrist. This creates a fulcrum and you are able to reverse the takedown. When going down you will land in a side control like state, when going down slip your hips under his head and keep your legs on his opposite arm (don't let go of the original left underhook). When you land you will be in a reverse crucifix with access to a straight armbar. And with the leverage they have they can not do anything. Two submissions at the same time. One crushes all breathing and the other is on the arm.

I know this is really hard to understand. Sorry. But this is by far my favorite sub.

I also like to transwer off my back with a triangle to an armbar to a omaplatta. It just feels comfortable.

I'm having trouble visualizing...any videos?

I love setting up the triangle with the omoplata. If they roll through to avoid the omoplata, I can either transition to a standard armbar or just end up on top. If they try to posture back up out of it, they're mine. Right into the triangle!

I've been hitting the triangle from the back a lot lately. When dudes shoot a sloppy single, I can hop over and grab my own leg that they tried to pick, and figure 4 with my opposite leg, getting the triangle from the back. All you gotta do is suck your hips in and push their head down and it's real tight. In a fight, their face is an open, undefended target. I also get it when guys try to block me getting my near side hook in when they're turtled up. They try to grab my leg, thinking they are gonna block the hook, meanwhile, they're just giving me the "one arm in, one arm out" setup for the choke.

stillstanding · 08-21-2008, 10:38 PM

I couldn't find any videos. I learned it from wrestling as a pin. It is a pin because it is so painful to move otherwise. In wrestling you can't use joint locks but after I learned some jui jitsu later on I started adding different subs with it.

It really isn't very complicated you just have to have perfect timing.

MickTaig · 08-24-2008, 02:23 PM

Whatever this is.