Will Tito get a title shot for his 3rd fight?

Billdolfski · 12-13-2005, 08:57 AM

So if Tito has a three fight contract... and they're leaning towards a Griffen vs Tito, a rematch with Shamrock and more than likely a title bout.

This is why:

Griffen vs Tito. Everyone loves Griffen, he's pretty silly and has a KO or get KOed attitude, good for him... glad everything is working out for him. Anyways, he's a pretty decent name anymore, regardless if Tito thinks so. This will be a big fight and will pull lots of viewers. Hell, I'll watch it with a smile.

Tito vs Shamrock. I think it was a good business idea to have the TUF coaches fight one another at the end. Since the idea behind TUF is to bring in new fighters, and more specifically new viewers this will be a big fight. Tito and Shamrock are both TV oriented personalities. Anyone who knows anything about MMA knows who these two clowns are. I think it's a stupid fight personally... Tito is gonna walk all over him just like he did last time, but probably worse. Regardless of it being a good fight I'm sure it'll bring the ratings.

Tito gets title shot. Why? He doesn't deserve it, but he'll get it. Why? Because he can't earn the title shot. If he had to fight Babalu... who I feel is the top contender (after the 4th of course), he'd lose. If he has to fight the loser of Chuck and Randy for the shot, he will surely lose. So, I think they'll just give it to him. Why? Because he's Tito and he's huge. Regardless if he has a chance of winning or not, Tito in a title match is big money for Zuffa/White. Expect to see this happen.

Tito creeps his way into everything on this forum... look, even I'm posting about him now. He's like a disease

Bellyflip · 12-13-2005, 09:05 AM

LOL, Tito is like a disease around mma forums huh? Ortiz/Shamrock is a good decision on the part of the UFC. If I'm not mistaken, their first fight still holds the record for most UFC ppv buys ever (allthough Randy/Chuck II might have surpassed them, I'm not sure).
As far as Tito getting the title shot... I hope not but I wouldn't be surprised in the least. He has a big following and love him or hate him, people will watch his fights. It is crappy though, like you said, what about Babalu?

dagenhamdave · 12-13-2005, 10:37 AM

The Tito/Ken fight is still the biggest grossing event for the UFC. I think the contract makes sense even if Tito is not the #1 contender. I agree Babalu should be in line after Randy but Tito is a much bigger draw than Renato and having him get beat up by Chuck or Randy again is going to be a much bigger PPV even than watching him get beat up by Babalu.

Anti-Sanchez · 12-13-2005, 12:14 PM

Don't cut Babalu short. He might not be the household name that Tito is, but he does have a large following and is a definate fan favorite.

Thrash13 · 12-13-2005, 12:18 PM

Well, my opinion is different on this topic. I think if Tito beats Forrest Griffin and Ken Shamrock, he will deserve a title shot. Here's how I think it should go down.

Randy/Chuck winner vs. Babalu in August
Tito vs. Ken Shamrock in August

Randy/Chuck vs. Babalu winner vs. Tito (if Tito wins against Griffin and Shamrock)

That fight could take place at the end of this year or the beginning of next year. I definitely think he would be worthy of a title fight after Babalu if he gets the job done against Griffin and Shamrock.

I agree that Babalu should get the first shot at the Chuck/Randy winner, and after that, it's fair game for Tito. That's how I would work things anyway.

Gooner · 12-13-2005, 12:24 PM

Yeah, isn't it possible that Tito will in fact get his title-shot against Babalu? He was promised a "title-shot" and not a "you'll fight the winner of Chuck-Randy".

angryjonny · 12-13-2005, 12:52 PM

I have been wondering recently. Everyone talks about how Tito was "promised" a title shot. The only one who I have heard talk about this was Tito himself in an interview. Just because he says it doesn't mean I'm going to believe it. For all I know he is going to have a 3 fight deal and his two fights that are sure to happen don't put him anywhere near #1 contendorship. UFC doesn't need to give him a title shot to have him fight. He doesn't deserve it until he fights some top fighters. His last legit win was against Cote over a year ago, still not impressive. If he fights Babalu and wins then he could be considered for a title shot.

dagenhamdave · 12-13-2005, 01:20 PM

I thought his last win was Super Saturday against Vitor. Cote was earlier than that, no?

angryjonny · 12-13-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dagenhamdave

I thought his last win was Super Saturday against Vitor. Cote was earlier than that, no?

Well that's why I said "legit." I really don't think Tito deserved that win. Even when I was a Tito fan back when that fight happened, I still thought Vitor got screwed but split decisions are always tough to call. Tito beat down Cote but to me his "win" over Vitor 10 months ago still doesn't put him up on the rankings. So that's why I made that comment.

dagenhamdave · 12-13-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Well that's why I said "legit." I really don't think Tito deserved that win. Even when I was a Tito fan back when that fight happened, I still thought Vitor got screwed but split decisions are always tough to call. Tito beat down Cote but to me his "win" over Vitor 10 months ago still doesn't put him up on the rankings. So that's why I made that comment.

Oh OK, you're editorializing his wins.

Well yes it was a close fight but he did get the win against a top level guy so you could argue he is close to being in line for a shot. Personally I think Babalu is rightfully in line after Randy but certainly an argument could be made that Tito deserves a shot due to getting the win over Vitor. Honestly I see him losing fights against Randy, Chuck and Renato so it really doesn't matter to me if he gets a shot or not. I wasn't really upset Quarry got a shot either because I figured he would get schooled like he did anyway.

subgenius · 12-13-2005, 01:48 PM

I think that Tito Ortiz has shown his ability. He has lost only two fights since 2000 (when he came off a loss in 1999 to Frank-Sham), and those losses came from The Natural and The Iceman -- two of the BEST. Tito went five rounds with Randy Couture in a loss for Tito with a decision for Randy. Tito is 8-2 in his last ten fights. That is worthy of a title shot after a few tune up fights (that he must win), IMO.

It is interesting to note that 15 out of Tito's 16 fights have been in the UFC. That is a certain level of dedication that I think many people respect. Despite losing to Randy and Chuck, Tito has defeated many good fighters; Ken-Sham, Vitor, Cote, Matyushenko, Sinosic, Tanner, and even Wanderlei Silva at UFC 25.

angryjonny · 12-13-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I think that Tito Ortiz has shown his ability. He has lost only two fights since 2000 (when he came off a loss in 1999 to Frank-Sham), and those losses came from The Natural and The Iceman -- two of the BEST. Tito went five rounds with Randy Couture in a loss for Tito with a decision for Randy. Tito is 8-2 in his last ten fights. That is worthy of a title shot after a few tune up fights (that he must win), IMO.

It is interesting to note that 15 out of Tito's 16 fights have been in the UFC. That is a certain level of dedication that I think many people respect. Despite losing to Randy and Chuck, Tito has defeated many good fighters; Ken-Sham, Vitor, Cote, Matyushenko, Sinosic, Tanner, and even Wanderlei Silva at UFC 25.

Compared to what Chuck had to go through to get to the title finally, the story of Tito is a childrens book. He needs to earn it just like Chuck did.

Unknown · 12-13-2005, 03:18 PM

Nah, Tito isn't deserving of a title shot right now. His most recent performances have been 2 looses and 2 poor performances. He couldn't finish Cote in 3 rounds. Cote barely has any ground skill these days and was worse when he faced Tito, and Tito couldn't put him away. I will forever say that Vitor won that fight against Tito. The fight almost leads me to believe that the UFC was trying to pust Tito back into title contention because he is a better money maker than Vitor. I was very shocked when the announcers and Eddie Bravo said they gave the first round to Tito. It was close but It was still was Vitor's round. I am not a big Tito fan, but I wasn't a real big Vitor fan at the time either. And I still think that Vitor won that fight.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 12-13-2005, 03:26 PM

so negative lol

i liked thrash13s post.... tito fights griffen as randy vs chuck, then babalu gets a shot as tito fights ken... then tito gets a shot from there... whats wrong with that? who else would deserve a title shot other then tito at that point besides stephan bonner lol... gotta give tito a shot at that point...

btw i think tito clearly beat vitor in rounds 1 and 3 and finished the fight so strong u had to give it to him

mepersoner · 12-13-2005, 04:57 PM

I've never seen the Vitor vs. Tito fight, someone want to PM the highlights or something? =(

Thrash13 · 12-13-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

so negative lol

i liked thrash13s post.... tito fights griffen as randy vs chuck, then babalu gets a shot as tito fights ken... then tito gets a shot from there... whats wrong with that? who else would deserve a title shot other then tito at that point besides stephan bonner lol... gotta give tito a shot at that point...

btw i think tito clearly beat vitor in rounds 1 and 3 and finished the fight so strong u had to give it to him

Exactly. If Tito beats Griffin and Shamrock, who else will deserve a shot at the LHW championship? Babalu will get the Chuck/Randy winner, and then Tito will be next. I don't think Randy or Chuck should get another shot before Tito. They will have battled three times by then, that will be old news.

After Babalu gets his shot, Tito is the obvious choice for many reasons. Who else would it be? It won't be Griffin or Shamrock if Tito beats them. There isn't anyone else to be honest. It won't be Bonnar, Sinosic, or anyone else.

Whether you guys like it or not, Tito did get the win against Vitor, and if he beats Griffin and Shamrock in his next two fights, that will give him 4 quality victories in a row. That is deserving as far as I'm concerned. He won't have to go through Babalu first because Babalu will already have gotten his shot hopefully.

I personally think Tito beat Belfort clearly, and I'm a fan of both. So there isn't any favoritism there. I don't know as much as some of you do, but I thought it was an obvious win by Tito. And it was obviously good enough for 2 of the 3 judges.

Tito will be deserving after wins over Griffin and Shamrock. I have no doubt at all about that.

That being said, getting past Griffin isn't guaranteed. I'll just be happy when Tito starts fighting.

angryjonny · 12-13-2005, 05:19 PM

I hope that Assuerio Silva drops down after the Sylvia fight. He is too small to fight HW. I think he walks around at under 230. He would be a force at 205 for sure. I imagine he would beat Tito down worse that Chuck did.

JitsuChick · 12-13-2005, 06:33 PM

Ill just add my 2 cents-as most of you fellas have stated, and I agree 100% with it, Babalu should definately, definately get a T. shot against the winner of Couture/Liddell. Tito, I don't even think he should get a shot but hell, he's not beating Babalu, so it doesn't matter. He does need to prove his place once again. Tito does bring ratings, depending on his matchup. (IF-that is one of the worst words in the english dictionary!)

GSPALLTHEWAY · 12-13-2005, 06:40 PM

people that dont like tito just dont like him... im a big fan of his, yet i think some of his fights are boring... but who cares, he was so dominent for so long and id love to see him make a comeback, hes exciting to hype up fights, and i cant wait to see what happens in each fight. if he beats forrest and ken, (which he may or may not) you gotta give him another shot, hes career has warrented that at the very least.. yea babalu should get first crack, but he is NOT marketable at all, his interviews are awful lol, but i like him too, i just cant wait to see all these fights

angryjonny · 12-13-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

people that dont like tito just dont like him... im a big fan of his, yet i think some of his fights are boring... but who cares, he was so dominent for so long and id love to see him make a comeback, hes exciting to hype up fights, and i cant wait to see what happens in each fight. if he beats forrest and ken, (which he may or may not) you gotta give him another shot, hes career has warrented that at the very least.. yea babalu should get first crack, but he is NOT marketable at all, his interviews are awful lol, but i like him too, i just cant wait to see all these fights

Funny that you say now that you are a Tito fan but in another thread you said you weren't a fan of his. Which one are you?

I used to love Tito, honestly. I don't anymore. It's not because of his fighting style either. One of my favorites is Arona so I am no stranger to having a favorite fighters who is labeled as "boring" by some. I like Matt Lindland too. It's his stupid pro wrestling antics that I don't like anymore. Some people like that, and that is fine with me. We all have our different tastes. But just because you are marketable and cause people to turn heads doesn't mean you deserve a title shot. By that logic Forrest deserves a title shot before anyone. He's the poster boy now, not Tito, and he is jealous of that. Even if Tito beats him down everyone is still going to love Forrest.