Originally Posted by Unknown

Well the sloppy boxing argument is the only argument I have ever heard against MMA. (it was not brought up in street fight context) And I have never met a boxer that says they are the most dangerous person in the world. I have met people who have never heard of MMA and studied Karate or some form of Kung Fu that did think that they were the most dangerous person in the world.

And boxing will work in MMA, it takes very small changes in style.

Also the biggest thing that would make most people think that a submission won't work on the street is because someone else can jump in and stomp you. Plus lets say you get a choke and the guy passes out. You then what let go and just as you get away he gets up and comes back after you, or you hold it and either cause brain damage or kill him and then your a murderer. Or you get an armbar and break his arm, then you get up go to walk away but he can still punch with the other arm and now he is pissed now all you can do is hope he wont pull a forest griffen on you and knock you out with his other arm. Then what? Thats also why some people think that won't work on a street. Your number 1 goal in a street fight is to prevent harm to yourself, your frinds and your faimly and get yourself out of the situation, BJJ complicates both parts. Not saying that it isn't effective in dealing out damage but it puts you at risk and makes it harder for you to escape the situation. If damage against one opponet without using a weapon is your goal then BJJ would be your best bet.

As for people who think boxers can KO everyone, I have never met anyone who thinks that way.

And if I twist everything around it's because I sometime have trouble following what you say because of your lack of periods to seperate thougths. So if I have missed anything feel free to explain to me what you are trying to say.