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I have heard of peopel trying to kill people on the street, that why I argue against street fighting. Didn't I just say that boxing isn't perfectly suited for the street either, but you could get a punch in and not get stabbed. If you are grapling with them your getting stabbed. But if someone cuts me I am probably going to grab the nearest weapon using it and get out of there so I don't get stabbed again. And if they keep at it I will seek police help.

As for knockout vs choke out. When you choke someone out you have just turned off the blood flow to the brain, when the blood comes back the lights turn back on. A knockout comes from the brain moving inside of the head and actually causes damage to the brain. Even if they don't go completly lights out they will be in fairy land for some time. (unless it is a flash knock out)

Well as for the Army and others they don't teach alot of bjj, just parts of it. And parts of other martial arts as well as striking (weather boxing or muay thai or whatever) and pressure points. And boxing is of less use when you have a night stick to swing or a gun to fire. The grapling part of the training is incase you get taken down or if you have to subdue a suspect without harming them. There is really no point for non-law enforcement personel to try to be restraining people who have attacked you. Your job is to avoid the situation and get the prober athorities.

And nope never met a boxer who thought he was the best in the world, that incudes myself and everybody in my gym. Only people who thought that were one who just came through the door the first time. They change their attitude real quick.

And as for twisting your words. Nah. To the death means to the death. Can't really twist that too much. I responded to what you said. And if you don't leave regardless of how much you just intend to hurt them a lot of times some body ends up dead anyway. And if they are trying to kill you then you really need to get out of there.

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Brandon_Dicken

If an inmate has a weapon your supposed to close the distance and isolate the weapon not try to box it out with them theres a higher chance you'll get stabbed trying jab someone till they are out than it would be if you were grappling with them isolating the arm.

A choke will put you out just as hard as a punch or kick there is an air loss choke and a blood flow choke hold it on for to long the will be out for a long time.

You say you never met a boxer who just thought he was the baddest of the baddest well I guess you haven't talked to real boxer

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If you hold an air flow choke long enought to make someone pass out you have already caused brain damage, Hold it long enough to put them out for longer than a knock out and you seriously risk killing them. Blood chokes don't last long unless you cause brain damage or kill them, then they last for a long long time. When the blood comes back the brain turns back on. By the way how many air chokes are there other than: just squeze the wind pipe till they pass out.

And if an inmate has a weapon the only time you are supposed to isolate it is when you out number him. If its just you, then you wait till others arrive. Usually when my father is envolved its 5 people 1 for each limb and one for the weapon or the body if unarmed. And prison situations are different than street fights so unless you plan to work in a prison I would worry too much about disarming a inmate. And as I have said 5 or six times now it about keeping distance to avoid getting stabbed. It's not about boxing. I said that boxing would be of more use than BJJ in that situation because BJJ is 100% useless standing.

Just because you think that all boxers dosn't mean that how they are brandon. Sure you think you will win every fight you take, if you didn't you wouldn't fight. That includes me. But everyone at my gym knows that they aint the best in the world. Cause everybody gets knocked down at one point or another. And I think my friends wouldn't be to happy about you saying they arn't real boxers.

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Brandon_Dicken

Punching someone in the chin or on the side of the head can cause serious brain damage and then when they fall they hit concrete making it worse and the swellin can cause preasure on the brain and kill them. When the blood shuts off from a choke then comes back won't mean they'll wake up they'll still be out if you leave them there. If blood flow cause is a KO then when youre hit by a punch then it should matter the blood is still flowing. Thats what your saying and its not making sense. Stop pretending you know everything

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No that is not was I am saying Brandon. I said that after you choke someone out when the blood starts flowing again after you have been choked out the lights turn back on. I never once said that having blood flowing would prevent a knock out. Nor anything even close. I always used it in context with a choke not with a knock out. I assumed you would know that.

Your right it's also not the exact moment that you let go of the choke that they come back but within a few seconds they will be waking back up. And if you choked them out on the ground you probably arn't very far away by then.

And Brandon it's not that I know everything it's just that I happen to know a lot about street fighting and have very good sources on the subject Including but not limited to: my father a corrections offficer and member of the CERT team, Bas Rutten, some very extensive articles on wikipedia, and several other discussions of this nature on other forums.

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