Rich Franklin!!!

Soulja3 · 11-30-2005, 11:24 AM

Franklin v quarry?
wow am i the only one who thinks nate first off didnt deserve a title shot so early and second thats not a very good match up whatever way you look at it! I havent been following the ufc all of my life but i have been keeping up with it for a good while and i just cant seem to figure out who would match up well aginst franklin for his next fight? If anyone agrees with my statements about quarry could you give me your opinion on who you think would match up well for franklins next title match?

rsylver · 11-30-2005, 11:45 AM

Well Franklin is the best 185 in the world, some might say Henderson but I personally think Franklin is. I think the only real contender is Louiseau. They both have a well rounded game and both are great fighters. I will bet my points on Rich to stay champ but as for a contender Louiseau is your man. Other than him the UFC needs to pick up somemore fighters in the middle weight division because it is sparse.

Soulja3 · 11-30-2005, 12:02 PM

Good point! DL is very well rounded but correct me if i am wrong i just cant see DL getting a title shot any time soon! Louiseau is a very good fighter from what i have seen i have only seen 2 of his fights in the UFC but he has me in his corner simply because he is a serious fighter and puts on a great show!agin im not sure about a title shot any time soon.I like Rich F. and i like Matt H. but honestly i would love to see Pierre and Louiseau with the titles. that would be great!!!

Are ortiz and shamrock going to fight after UF3?

angryjonny · 11-30-2005, 12:09 PM

David is the #1 contendor right now. So he will be getting a title shot soon. I won't say that he doesn't have a chance but his chances are somewhat slim at being Rich. It will be a great fight though.

Soulja3 · 11-30-2005, 12:32 PM

what i still dont get is why quarry got a title shot so soon! I think that if DL takes it to the ground and applies those elbows he has a good chance of victory!!! but when will he get his shot?

Thrash13 · 11-30-2005, 12:47 PM

Well, Quarry was probably a top 10 fighter in the MW division at the time. If not, he was pretty close to top-10. All the other fighters ahead of him had just fought, aren't in the UFC, or had other issues (Marquardt).

So Quarry definitely deserved it at the time. I thought Quarry would give Rich a little trouble, but I'm glad I was wrong. I really like Rich, and I think that fight helped solidify his title reign.

David Loiseau isn't as well-rounded as Rich, but he is deadly when he is on top on the ground. And he is a deadly striker with his feet as well. I think Rich can get his back and possibly submit him. Tanner had this a couple times, but he couldn't finish the job. I think Rich can finish the job on the ground if it goes there.

It will be a great fight.

As for the MW division being weak, I disagree. I think Marquardt is tough, as well as the new MW Jeremy Horn. And don't forget about Loiseau, Tanner, and possibly David Terrell. Then there are guys like Swick and Leben that are on a major rise, along with Lee Murray if he returns next year.

I think the division is strong, there just aren't as many marquee names like the WW division has. I think the MW division is the second best in the UFC.

rsylver · 11-30-2005, 05:16 PM

I am comparing the MW division to the champion and to the WW and LHW divisions when I say it is weak. Tanner was already beaten twice by Rich so he shouldn't have another shot for awhile. Louiseau was my exception he is number one contender and rumor has it might be fighting for that said title at UFC 57, as of MMAWeekly's rumor section. Lee Murray just got stabbed in the heart plus he can't get a visa to go to America. Quarry, Swick and Leben have a long way to come before I count them as a strong MW division. In my opinion they need to beef that division up still.

Thrash13 · 11-30-2005, 05:57 PM

Yeah, but you forgot Marquardt and Horn again. Those two are very respectable fighters. And you never know when Salaverry will be back, especially since Tito is back.

Also, on a sidenote, does anyone else think Joe Riggs should move back up to MW? I thought that was his best weight class. He was just out of place as a WW. And besides, he can make weight easier at 170, and then we won't have to hear him gripe.

angryjonny · 11-30-2005, 06:46 PM

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Yeah, but you forgot Marquardt and Horn again. Those two are very respectable fighters. And you never know when Salaverry will be back, especially since Tito is back.

Also, on a sidenote, does anyone else think Joe Riggs should move back up to MW? I thought that was his best weight class. He was just out of place as a WW. And besides, he can make weight easier at 170, and then we won't have to hear him gripe.

Your dead on man. Hopefully Marquardt can get his issues resolved because he is definitely a possible contendor. I think it's only a matter of time before Ivan comes back as well.

I completely agree about Riggs as well. He should definitely stay at MW. Easier to make weight and even if people don't like the guy he gives us exciting fights. It's his attitude and lack of maturity that sucks, not his skills. He has more experience in the ring than most fighters in any org and he is one of the youngest. He will be a champ someday just not soon.

Soulja3 · 12-01-2005, 06:21 PM

I also agree about riggs

I dont like his attitude but i love to watch him fight, and as a future champ i strongly feel he will have his time. He is a great fighter and MW=Riggs ya kno

thecreewarrior · 04-07-2006, 05:06 PM

sup soulja, you soulja ffrom guildwars by any chance? I think atm the only middleweight capable of beating franklin in the UFC is David Loiseau, even though franklin beat him at ufc 58 i personally dont see a better middleweight in the UFC better then franklin and loiseau.

Sensei · 04-08-2006, 04:29 AM

[quote=Soulja3]Good point! DL is very well rounded but correct me if i am wrong i just cant see DL getting a title shot any time soon! Louiseau is a very good fighter from what i have seen i have only seen 2 of his fights in the UFC but he has me in his corner simply because he is a serious fighter and puts on a great show!agin im not sure about a title shot any time soon.I like Rich F. and i like Matt H. but honestly i would love to see Pierre and Louiseau with the titles. that would be great!!!

What are you Canadian or something?! lol jkj

Sensei · 04-08-2006, 04:34 AM

Seriously though. Frankilin is the man at MW. Hes goes up to Chuck he gets destroyed. God I wish Tanner was a better fight for him. I think Tanner has a lot of heart, just not a lot of chin. I like Leben but Franklin would "stamp' Him. What abought Lightning Lee? Is he still in UFC? Hes a Bad a**, but once again I think Franklin wins.

thecreewarrior · 04-08-2006, 01:44 PM

David already did get a title shot against richfranklin(he lost). But what i could see from the fight he put up a better fight then any other fighters. the fight actualy went to decision for once hehe. The two top MW contenders are chris leben and DL. tanners gotta beat a few ppl to get back up there since his loss against loiseau.

SmashingMachine · 04-09-2006, 12:57 PM

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David already did get a title shot against richfranklin(he lost). But what i could see from the fight he put up a better fight then any other fighters. the fight actualy went to decision for once hehe. The two top MW contenders are chris leben and DL. tanners gotta beat a few ppl to get back up there since his loss against loiseau.

I think Tanner's a better fighter than Loiseau. He was pretty much in control of the fight until he got cut. But, Tanner's had two whacks at Rich and been whacked two times by Rich. Maybe he should go down to Welterweight or something. Loiseau went the distance with Rich, but Rich dominated him better than he has anyone before. Dave got 5 rounds of a pounding. The UFC seems to be lacking great MW and HW competition for their respective champs. Then you have the UFC WW and LHW's and there is some talent. The UFC is doing better they just need to keep getting/recruiting more top fighters and drop the dollars to do so.

DrumzCT · 04-09-2006, 01:34 PM

And Franklin broke his power hand in the second round and still dominated David. Although I definitely think Chuck would KO Rich, I think it would be a good fight unless the KO comes early. Rich has good head movement and can avoid shots, David didn't connect much other than the big hook in thier fight. Rich is very strong too, who knows maybe he could get a takedown.

SmashingMachine · 04-09-2006, 01:53 PM

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And Franklin broke his power hand in the second round and still dominated David. Although I definitely think Chuck would KO Rich, I think it would be a good fight unless the KO comes early. Rich has good head movement and can avoid shots, David didn't connect much other than the big hook in thier fight. Rich is very strong too, who knows maybe he could get a takedown.

I don't know about avoiding shots, at least against David, everytime Rich came in to attack he dropped the opposite hand he struck with or the hand that was guarding his jawline. That's what happenend when David knocked him down too. It was kinda scary/funny too because I had just told my wife how nervous Rich was making me by doing that...and WHACK!!! Down to the mat he went. Fortunately, Rich recovered well, but he's gotta keep them hands up. Had that been Chuck, it'd been "Good-Night Irene!" Aside from that little mechanics fault...I think Rich would hold his own against Chuck.