Discovered another Kimbo Fight..

SeikanJudanski · 03-06-2006, 02:26 PM

I don´t know how old this is.. but this is the third fight i´ve seen from Kimbo slice.. The dude that fought him needs to get a haircut, hair all in the way.. throwing those rastas around isn´t gonna help you if you don´t know Capoera.

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Crashsti · 03-06-2006, 02:35 PM

its pretty obvious that Kimbo's opponent was totally intimidated. you don't backpedal like that if you're not a little overwhelmed. that and the "slaps" he was throwing did'nt help him any. Kimbo is a mean man and if he ever got proper training maybe he could be more than a backyard brawler. of course when undercard fighters in the UFC only make $2000 Kimbo is'nt doing too bad. what's he get when he fights? its a $5000 bet is'nt it?

SeikanJudanski · 03-06-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

its pretty obvious that Kimbo's opponent was totally intimidated. you don't backpedal like that if you're not a little overwhelmed. that and the "slaps" he was throwing did'nt help him any. Kimbo is a mean man and if he ever got proper training maybe he could be more than a backyard brawler. of course when undercard fighters in the UFC only make $2000 Kimbo is'nt doing too bad. what's he get when he fights? its a $5000 bet is'nt it?

I don´t know how much he is getting, also heard it´s 5,000 a fight... but UFC fighters should be getting more than 2000 dollars.. Damn.. Dana White is one stingy &$%§)-.

angryjonny · 03-06-2006, 02:42 PM

Oww. That hurt my head just watching that. I could feel that shot rattle my brain. I think Kimbo is considering pro boxing isn't he? He would be more suited for that.

Crashsti · 03-06-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SeikanJudanski

I don´t know how much he is getting, also heard it´s 5,000 a fight... but UFC fighters should be getting more than 2000 dollars.. Damn.. Dana White is one stingy &$%§)-.

well, Gilbert Aldana got $2000 when he fought Buentello while during the same card Chuck and Randy both got $200,000+. i suppose you have to pay the people who fill the seats. i don't see Kimbo filling seats.

SeikanJudanski · 03-06-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

well, Gilbert Aldana got $2000 when he fought Buentello while during the same card Chuck and Randy both got $200,000+. i suppose you have to pay the people who fill the seats. i don't see Kimbo filling seats.

MMA fighters are underpaid.. in Japan they make more money. Compare what a boxer makes to a MMA fighter.. MMA is much more exciting and dangerous. These guys are risking their lives for peanuts. If it wasn´t for the sponsors, they would be broke. A ticket to Vegas and lodging can run you more than you make fighting.

SeikanJudanski · 03-06-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Oww. That hurt my head just watching that. I could feel that shot rattle my brain. I think Kimbo is considering pro boxing isn't he? He would be more suited for that.

I don´t know.. I just want to see more of these underground fights, knockouts galore..

mepersoner · 03-06-2006, 07:42 PM

Kimbo trains in boxing and MMA. He wants to do professional boxing.

Training MMA only like the last 3 months...

sosomomonono · 03-15-2006, 05:36 PM

Has anyone tried emailing this to Dana White??? LOL, man that was insane,man, that guys got some real power in his hands and with a lil training, man he would be a beast. He looked bad against Gannon but that was just cause of cardio, he busted Gannon up good. Where did u get this from??

EVERYONE EMAIL THIS TO UFC,OR DANA WHITE, OR GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM SOME WAY(MAYBE AN INSIDER??)BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEE THIS GUY IN THE UFC!!!!!!! I THOUGHT HIS NAME WAS SEAN GANNON, AND THATS THE ONLY REASON I GOT EXCITED AT UFC 55, WAS BECUASE I THOUGHT I WAS GUNNA SEE THAT BIG NIGGA IN THE CLIPS WHO KNOCKS PEOPLE THE #$^@$#& OUT!!! UFC PLEASE SIGN HIM AND HAVE HIM TRAIN SO HE CAN WHOOP THAT ASS IN THE CAGE!!!!!

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angryjonny · 03-15-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sosomomonono

Has anyone tried emailing this to Dana White??? LOL, man that was insane,man, that guys got some real power in his hands and with a lil training, man he would be a beast. He looked bad against Gannon but that was just cause of cardio, he busted Gannon up good. Where did u get this from??

EVERYONE EMAIL THIS TO UFC,OR DANA WHITE, OR GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM SOME WAY(MAYBE AN INSIDER??)BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEE THIS GUY IN THE UFC!!!!!!! I THOUGHT HIS NAME WAS SEAN GANNON, AND THATS THE ONLY REASON I GOT EXCITED AT UFC 55, WAS BECUASE I THOUGHT I WAS GUNNA SEE THAT BIG NIGGA IN THE CLIPS WHO KNOCKS PEOPLE THE #$^@$#& OUT!!! UFC PLEASE SIGN HIM AND HAVE HIM TRAIN SO HE CAN WHOOP THAT ASS IN THE CAGE!!!!!

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I can't tell if you are joking or not. I think Dana learned from the Gannon show that they don't belong with elite fighters. Then again Kimbo isn't much different from a Correira, Butterbean, Sylvia, etc. But I really have no desire to see him in MMA.

sosomomonono · 03-16-2006, 05:13 PM

He would be crazy and has good personality......plus he looks dangerous and a way more better fighter than Gannon...........i was being serious

TaddT189 · 04-11-2006, 12:03 AM

He got beat by Gannon. So how is he a better fighter?

Goeth27 · 04-11-2006, 01:25 AM

Kimbo only has half the game to fight MMA, he stands up, from what I have read he doesn't fight on the ground. He could be the worst ground fighter but the best standing and lose.

As for the pay, I like how it is set up now. Now unlike boxing, there is actually a reason to win the fight, it's not like you get 4 million if you win, and 3 million if you lose.

SeikanJudanski · 04-11-2006, 10:58 AM

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As for the pay, I like how it is set up now. Now unlike boxing, there is actually a reason to win the fight, it's not like you get 4 million if you win, and 3 million if you lose.

I don´t know man.. they are getting fractions of what Boxers are getting. 2000 dollars for a fight is nothing, you can´t even pay your expenses. That is seriously wrong, considering the UFC making millions with PPV´s, Merchandise, Sponsors, Marketing..etc. There should be a minimum limit, like at least 15-20K. How is a fighter supposed to concentrate on his career, if he has to run a job on the side, specially if he has no sponsors.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 04-11-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

I can't tell if you are joking or not. I think Dana learned from the Gannon show that they don't belong with elite fighters. Then again Kimbo isn't much different from a Correira, Butterbean, Sylvia, etc. But I really have no desire to see him in MMA.

lol yea, didnt gannon demolish this guy, then got creamed by brandon lee hinkle, he in turn got creamed by moonson... kimbo is one of the last guys id wanna run into on the street, but when you put in the ground aspect or get real fighters in there better then dreds, i dont think its much of a match

Gygax · 04-11-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SeikanJudanski

I don´t know man.. they are getting fractions of what Boxers are getting. 2000 dollars for a fight is nothing, you can´t even pay your expenses. That is seriously wrong, considering the UFC making millions with PPV´s, Merchandise, Sponsors, Marketing..etc. There should be a minimum limit, like at least 15-20K. How is a fighter supposed to concentrate on his career, if he has to run a job on the side, specially if he has no sponsors.

While I'll never defend the UFC's paltry pay scale, let's not get crazy about boxing and their pay. Guys 4-5 fights down from a main event on a boxing PPV rarely get more than $2000. Often, they are around $1000 a fight. At the smaller events, $250 for a night is good, with $50-100 being the norm. These guys work out at places like Kronk Gym in Detroit because because membership is about $35 a month!! They almost all have real jobs. Its not until they are highly ranked often that they can afford to train full time, unless they have a benefactor banking on them being superstars (ala Jim Jacobs to Mike Tyson). When Arturo Gatti fought on the undercard of a Buddy McGirt fight in the mid 90's, he took home $500. Buddy was the main event as a former world champ and got $10,000.

So the lower level fighters in boxing also make very paltry sums, part of the reasoning behind John McCain's push for a national boxing commision and health care for boxers.

Like I said, I'm not defending the UFC's payscale, simply pointing out that boxings payscale is terrible except at the highest levels, where its awesome.

Sensei · 04-11-2006, 01:16 PM

Holy crap! that was nasty! Man I would love to see Kimbo vs. Tyson!

SeikanJudanski · 04-12-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gygax

While I'll never defend the UFC's paltry pay scale, let's not get crazy about boxing and their pay. Guys 4-5 fights down from a main event on a boxing PPV rarely get more than $2000. Often, they are around $1000 a fight. At the smaller events, $250 for a night is good, with $50-100 being the norm. These guys work out at places like Kronk Gym in Detroit because because membership is about $35 a month!! They almost all have real jobs. Its not until they are highly ranked often that they can afford to train full time, unless they have a benefactor banking on them being superstars (ala Jim Jacobs to Mike Tyson). When Arturo Gatti fought on the undercard of a Buddy McGirt fight in the mid 90's, he took home $500. Buddy was the main event as a former world champ and got $10,000.

So the lower level fighters in boxing also make very paltry sums, part of the reasoning behind John McCain's push for a national boxing commision and health care for boxers.

Like I said, I'm not defending the UFC's payscale, simply pointing out that boxings payscale is terrible except at the highest levels, where its awesome.

Nobody really going crazy over anything, I just think UFC should pay more and after your more than valid points, Boxers should get paid more too.

Where did you get that Gatti only got paid 500 dollars on the McGirt undercard? That fight was for the USBA Super Featherweight Title.. you know this right? 500 dollars for a title fight? I need to see that black on white. I understand his value went down after the Solomon fight, but he ko´d/tko´d every fighter with the exception of Tuck before he got that title shot. But it was also his first professional fight against Taliaferro, you can´t expect the purse to be that high, but 500 dollars? I have to read this myself.

By the way, what´s wrong with training at Kronk´s Gym? Man I would pay 100 dollars to train there. Kronk´s is run by Emanuell Stewart, and people like Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns trained their way to Championships there. $35 is preety cheap if you ask me.

Gygax · 04-12-2006, 02:43 PM

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Nobody really going crazy over anything, I just think UFC should pay more and after your more than valid points, Boxers should get paid more too.

Where did you get that Gatti only got paid 500 dollars on the McGirt undercard? That fight was for the USBA Super Featherweight Title.. you know this right? 500 dollars for a title fight? I need to see that black on white. I understand his value went down after the Solomon fight, but he ko´d/tko´d every fighter with the exception of Tuck before he got that title shot. But it was also his first professional fight against Taliaferro, you can´t expect the purse to be that high, but 500 dollars? I have to read this myself.

By the way, what´s wrong with training at Kronk´s Gym? Man I would pay 100 dollars to train there. Kronk´s is run by Emanuell Stewart, and people like Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns trained their way to Championships there. $35 is preety cheap if you ask me.

Nothing wrong with $35 for Kronk at all. Its more of an example of how cheap it is to train at a top notch gym. Gleason's Gym is only $80 a month. It was merely used as an example. If I lived in Detroit, I'd likely join even if I didn't actually train there just to support the place, which is in dire financial straits right now.

You will not find the $500 quote from Gatti in any magazine or website. He told people himself that it was a farce to get paid so little for a title fight on national TV at the post fight party. Arturo was working as a bouncer in Jersey City at the time to make ends meet. He may have made more, but that's what he was telling everyone after the fight. I was working with Buddy McGirt at the time during his rehab from shoulder surgery following the first Whitaker fight, which is why I was at the party. Buddy shoulder looked like a grenade went off in it after that fight and he was in the 4 fight on the comeback trail to get to Whitaker again. That whole group of fighters were great guys who were a hell of alot of fun to be around when the won.

BTW, those fights were shown live on USA's Tuesday Night Fights with Albert and O'Grady. Those guys were real cool as they came by the rehab center to watch Buddy get treatment after training.

subgenius · 04-12-2006, 03:00 PM

I saw Butterbean at KOTC Payback (from last year). It was his second MMA fight, which was against Michael Buchkovich. It was a decent fight, all standing and leaning against the cage. But, it was not for lack of trying -- Buchkovich really tried to take Butterben down a lot. Butterbean was just too freaking fat and round. He is an example of a big man that limits what an opponent can do because of his massive girth.

Butterbean is now 2-1-1 in MMA.

Butterbean vs. Genki Sudo (14-4-1)
Butterbean vs. Michael Buchkovich (4-2-1)
Butterbean vs. Walley Keenboom (0-2-0)
Butterbean vs. Wesley Correira (17-9-0)

I was surprised that Butterbean defeated Cabbage. He has only fought one guy with a losing record, although these are not the best fighters in MMA or anything. I think that some people would say that Sudo and Cabbage were good challenges for Butterbean.