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Nog´s ground is not better than anybody else????? Ok, look at what you just wrote.. you said his BJJ is the best in the world, but his ground game is not better than anybody elses.. does that make sense to you? Not me.
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I didn't say better than anybody's, I said better than everyone's. Very big difference. Arona isn't as good at subs, but has better control from the top. That's actually true for a lot of good wrestlers as well, better control from the top than Nog. Nog has a better sub game and an excellent open guard.
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Arona is also a BJJ fighter.. if you say Nog´s BJJ is the best in the world, I don´t see how you can say Arona is better.. is this making any sense to you? And are you even aware that Arona has never fought Big Nog? So how can you even try to compare them.
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I can compare their accomplishments on the ground. Arona has won the ADCC - Nog hasn't. I explained in the reply before this how Arona is better in certain situations on the ground.
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Oh yeah.. the best BJJ fighter in the world is going to have a hard time taking somebody down, ok, now it all makes sense. And yes Nog´s wrestling is lightyears ahead of Rampage´s. Infact Rampage himself as said on many occasions that he is not THAT GOOD of a wrestler. Just because he slammed Arona doesn´t make him a better wrestler, and it was his skull which hit Arona in the face that knocked Arona out, you can look at Rampage´s 3 inch scar over his eye for the proof. I can´t even believe you are comparing Quinton´s ground game to Nog´s. What are you even basing Rampage´s wrestling skills on? Did you see him submit anybody in Pride yet? If I remember correctly, Sakuraba submitted HIM. Rampage´s strength has always been his stand up and vicious style. Although we should be fair and say that he has been concentrating more on his ground game for the past year.
Sakuraba is an excellent ground fighter, but once again what are you basing his superior ground skills to Nog´s on? Not trying to say he is not good on the ground, that would be ridiculous, but you are comparing him to the best, so what makes his ground game better?.
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I was really referring to his takedowns really. Nog does not have great takedowns. Being "the best" does not make you the "best" at everything. Case and point - Coleman has better takedowns and top control than ANYONE in any MMA organization in the world. Does this make Coleman the best? No, because he doesn't have very great subs and he has pretty average sub-defense. We also don't know how well he does off his back, not that it matters, who has put Coleman on his back? Now if you tell me Nog has better takedowns and control than Coleman because Nog is the best ground fighter - I will proceed to laugh. Nog's thing his excellent guard and subs, that's what makes him the best, not his takedowns and top control.
I didn't say Sak had a better ground game. However, I'd saythey're equal except guard. I think they're pretty even in most other aspects, Sakuraba's turtle is probably better. In terms of pure skill that is, Nog could out strength Sak though.
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So Silva was not in trouble against Arona?????? Don´t make me laugh. It was more than just "defensive guard" in the Arona fight.. he just didn´t have a chance against Arona´s ground game. You need to be fair, even if we all hate Arona, lol.
Silva´s ground game is average, if anything you should have given justice and said that Nog´s ground game is excellent and Silva´s is average. His takedown defense is not bad, but defending a takedown, and actually fighting on the ground are two different things. Mirko CroCop´s takedown is probably the best I have seen yet.. but his ground game is not that good, at least not compared to his takedown defense.
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I haven't seen the first fight, so I can only comment on the second. The only time Silva was in trouble Arona passed and the round ended. All other times his guard completely neutralized Arona's offense. Silva wasn't at risk for anything.
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I love Silva, he is a great fighter, but let´s be realistic, we are talking about Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Pride´s second best HW, former Pride Heavyweight Champion of the World and only the Fedor the living Steel Amtrak was able take that title away from him.
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You're talking about Pride's Middleweight champion - who has only lost via decision since becoming said champion. Don't count him out. He won't lay in Nog's guard, he'll try to keep it standing, and Nog just doesn't have the takedowns that Arona has.