I think UFC is going back to big entrances for 60

RobOne · 05-07-2006, 07:23 PM

now I dont know for sure, but I just check the seating chart at staples center for the event. They do show a stage area. So maybe we can finally get some pyrotechnics, and giant screens. I will take an extra camera just in case.

Ring_Raider_07 · 05-07-2006, 08:18 PM

WWE style?

RobOne · 05-07-2006, 08:47 PM

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WWE style?

or old ufc style. I think the last event they had big entrances for was UFC 49.

lwbfl · 05-07-2006, 11:08 PM

They still won't have anything on some of those PRIDE pyrotechs. They do it big over there!

GSPALLTHEWAY · 05-07-2006, 11:39 PM

yea they do... if they could only get some more fighters over there like the UFC to back up all the flames.... id also like to see fedor fight so non pride real challenges like tim sylvia!

Eraser2K1NIN · 05-08-2006, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

yea they do... if they could only get some more fighters over there like the UFC to back up all the flames.... id also like to see fedor fight so non pride real challenges like tim sylvia!

I'm confused w/this post?

subgenius · 05-08-2006, 01:52 AM

They did pretty well with the Griffin-Ortiz entrances.

I hope that they make their PPVs into more of an event.

RobOne · 05-08-2006, 02:32 AM

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They did pretty well with the Griffin-Ortiz entrances.

I hope that they make their PPVs into more of an event.

the ppv really didnt do those entrances justice. They were sooooooooooo good live.

lwbfl · 05-08-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

yea they do... if they could only get some more fighters over there like the UFC to back up all the flames.... id also like to see fedor fight so non pride real challenges like tim sylvia!

They already have some awesome fighters. Maybe when Pride America get going we might have a chance to see some Pride -vs- UFC fighters.

marnold · 05-08-2006, 09:29 AM

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They already have some awesome fighters. Maybe when Pride America get going we might have a chance to see some Pride -vs- UFC fighters.

The PRIDE fighters will have to be drug tested if they fight UFC.

angryjonny · 05-08-2006, 11:51 AM

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I'm confused w/this post?

Same here. What are you saying GSPalltheway?

As for the thread topic. I don't care what kind of entrances they do as long as we don't have to see one like Chuck's at UFC 43 again.

marnold · 05-08-2006, 01:57 PM

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Same here. What are you saying GSPalltheway?

As for the thread topic. I don't care what kind of entrances they do as long as we don't have to see one like Chuck's at UFC 43 again.

I don't recall what that was. Can you tell me? I like fighters to come in and fight. I hope we don't escalate in Prince Naseem types of entrances.

lwbfl · 05-08-2006, 05:12 PM

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The PRIDE fighters will have to be drug tested if they fight UFC.

You think many PRIDE fighter are on drugs? I think more fighters over here are more suspect than most of the PRIDE guys I've seen.

mepersoner · 05-08-2006, 05:20 PM

Doesn't matter, they're tested before and after every fight in Pride.

sitnspin · 05-08-2006, 05:43 PM

Why are you posting stuff today that completely contradicts what I've been reading? I've been hearing for months that because steroids aren't illegal in Japan, Pride DOESN'T test. Now you're saying they test before and after every single fight? Can you back that up with any information from a reliable source?

The UFC doesn't even test before and after every fight. They test for every title fight, and then the state athletic commissions do spot testing.

angryjonny · 05-08-2006, 05:51 PM

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I don't recall what that was. Can you tell me? I like fighters to come in and fight. I hope we don't escalate in Prince Naseem types of entrances.

It was terrible. It started with the Tapout guy (The camo dude. Don't know or care to know his name) giving him the most ridiculous intro ever (I can't even really explain it you have to watch it to see) only to be followed by Vanilla Ice singing his hardcore "Ice Ice Baby" song. So terrible. When I watch that DVD I have to fast forward through it.

sitnspin · 05-08-2006, 05:56 PM

Agreed. It was so over the top. It was like something Tito would do. Mask (the from Tapout) is talking over a video montage of Chuck in the octagon, saying something like, "You wanna step to the Iceman? You're gonna get knocked out! This man is a professional killer! An assassin!" Blah, blah, blah.

So after this five minute intro with pyrotechnics and the hype video and bad music, Chuck came out and lost to Randy. Hahahaha!

Ever since then, his entrances have been much more humble and to the point.

Ray433 · 05-09-2006, 08:10 PM

That and the build for Chuck they were giving about him being pretty much the future champ made Randy's victory that much better

mepersoner · 05-09-2006, 08:22 PM

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Why are you posting stuff today that completely contradicts what I've been reading? I've been hearing for months that because steroids aren't illegal in Japan, Pride DOESN'T test. Now you're saying they test before and after every single fight? Can you back that up with any information from a reliable source?

The UFC doesn't even test before and after every fight. They test for every title fight, and then the state athletic commissions do spot testing.

Yeah, I hear it all the time too on forums. I remembered Pride mentioning that they did do drug testing before and after every fight though. However, turns out I remembered kinda wrong. Here's the interview:

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Interviewer: I think, the UFC, the way they interpret the future, is pushing forward the Unified Rules throughout North America. That's their vision of the future. But it doesn't sound like that's PRIDE's vision of the future. And the Olympics is very interesting because one thing they're known for is their drug-testing policies. They're very strict, especially with performance-enhancing drugs like steroids. If you come to North America (your fighters are) going to have to face many of the same tests that are in the Olympics. What is the current PRIDE performance-enhancing testing policy, including steroids and other kind of substances?

Sakakibara: Right now, at this point, we have not tested any steroid usage. But for the illegal substances like stimulants or anything illegal, we conduct urine testing before and after the fights.

Yamamoto: It's a matter of the traceability, except those complicated drugs like EPO and steroids and some similar substance. We need to send a specimen to the laboratory. Who can protect traceability? We need a neutral third party. But for other illegal drug substances we can get a result at once.

Interviewer: One of the arguments for regulation and sanctioning is to have that oversight body, that check, that independent party making sure the fighters are safe, making sure there is testing going on of fighters. In Japan there's nothing like that. So in order for you to test for steroids you'd have to take that upon yourself. Is there any discussion in PRIDE of beginning to test for those substances in Japan?

Sakakibara: We don't have a third party. And maybe this is a cultural difference but we hired doctors, referees and judges and they are independent. Even though we hired them to work with PRIDE, they are the ones who are the ones responsible for all the safety issues and also drug testing. We leave everything up to them and they test. Under their responsibility they're going to submit us a result and then we judge according to the result. So for us it doesn't really make a big difference hiring a third party or hire those people by the promoter but to be independent from the promoter. I think it's a big cultural difference.

Interviewer: One more follow up. Two of the UFC’s heavyweight champions have tested positive for steroids. It stands to reason that a good percentage of mixed martial artists use those kinds of drugs. Is it just PRIDE's opinion that that sort of use is not important, that it doesn't affect the outcome of a fight? Why is there no movement towards ridding that sort of usage from your promotion?

Sakakibara: We don't test for steroids or we don't have a third party to test for steroids. But we don't think that always the steroid user has an advantage over a fighter who's not using steroids. And we don't know who is using steroids and who is not using steroids. But we don't know if always the steroid users are winning over the non-steroid users.

Interviewer: OK, I have to follow up: If you test you would probably have a better idea of who was using steroids and who wasn't. So I still have not heard a reason why PRIDE does not test.

Sakakibara: We are not opposing American regulations and requirements of steroid testing. But in Japan there's no such thing. We are not required to test steroids for any fighter or any sports whatsoever. So we don't need, so we don't do. If we come to the U.S. and of course we have to follow their rules and regulations. If we have to do, we have to do.

Yamamoto: Perception. Steroids is well known in the States but not many people use steroids in Japan.

Sakakibara: You have a good point, but maybe if you look over all the sportsman, not just the fighter - baseball player or gymnastics or anything - any kind of sportsman don't use steroids in Japan in general. But in the U.S. the Major League players or runners or boxers - they all use steroids. That's why there has to be some regulations. That's totally different culture and background.

Interviewer: I understand that in the Japanese culture, steroids are not a prevalent issue. My concern is the good majority of your fighters are international fighters. I'm looking at the poster for PRIDE "Final Conflict": three Brazilians, a Dutchman and two Europeans. Not one Japanese fighter on there. So just because no one is telling you to test for steroids, it's the same way that no one is telling you to test for cocaine or no one is telling you to test for anything else.

Kanda: Cocaine is illegal in Japan.

Interviewer: OK, so steroids are not illegal in Japan and that is why you do not test.

Yamamoto: It's a prescription drug. So if you try to use the steroids without prescription it's illegal.

Sakakibara: This is just like other drugs. Like, for instance, ulcer medicine is prescription drugs. And if someone uses without prescription it's illegal. So it’' the same thing for the Japanese people.

Yamamoto: Using the painkiller - you watched the Mark Kerr movie - it's illegal usage even though the substance is legal.

angryjonny · 05-09-2006, 08:39 PM

This is actually one thing that I've become torn on recently. I used to be one of those "anyone who uses steroids should burn in hell" types. I'm not sure that I really care that much anymore. Sure they are bad for you but so are lots of other things. I just don't know how to look at it. I also think there are a lot more fighters that use them than people think.