traditional vs. scientific training

Crashsti · 05-30-2006, 02:25 PM

i have been reading alot lately about scientific training methods. i also have a strong understanding of traditional training methods that we all seem to gravitate towards. Traditional methods involve long workouts, marathon cardio runs and bodybuilding type weight training. Science based training is all sport specific and peak performance levels are heightened beyond anything we can get out of the "old school". i have been amazed at what i am reading and cannot wait to incorporate it into my own training. anyone else here believe in science based training over the old school? don't take this the wrong way, i still believe you can learn from the traditional methods as long as they are applied scientifically.

Doublelegtakedown · 05-30-2006, 03:16 PM

I like scientififc methods better. i am not an expert but longer workouts i don't belevie are as good as workouts with shorter rests in between to get ususable strength. training like a body builder is low weight but a lot of reps whihc is for show and not go.

Crashsti · 05-30-2006, 03:32 PM

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I like scientififc methods better. i am not an expert but longer workouts i don't belevie are as good as workouts with shorter rests in between to get ususable strength. training like a body builder is low weight but a lot of reps whihc is for show and not go.

from what i understand even bodybuilding plays a small part in scientific training especially during the hypertrophy phase for those looking to gain mass, like a wrestler looking to move up a class.

Doublelegtakedown · 05-30-2006, 03:38 PM

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like a wrestler looking to move up a class.

they just eat a lot of food and work out to beef up

Crashsti · 05-30-2006, 03:43 PM

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they just eat a lot of food and work out to beef up

that would work but i'd think they'd rather gain lean mass and increase their maiximum strength so the can then improve their power. its interesting, the differant phases that go into periodized training. Anatomical adaptation, hypertrophy, maximum strength, power and power endurance. the periodization program for wrestlers is especially interesting since wrestlers require a combination of all sytems.

Doublelegtakedown · 05-30-2006, 03:49 PM

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that would work but i'd think they'd rather gain lean mass and increase their maiximum strength so the can then improve their power. its interesting, the differant phases that go into periodized training. Anatomical adaptation, hypertrophy, maximum strength, power and power endurance. the periodization program for wrestlers is especially interesting since wrestlers require a combination of all sytems.

what the hec are you talking about?!?!
but wrestlers need power, strength, balance, speed, and endurance

SmashingMachine · 05-30-2006, 07:01 PM

I think science only makes workouts better and more diversed, but I think a lot of the "old school" training methods can be blended in well with the new ways. Nutrition is the biggest science kick I get out of it.

Reildeal · 05-30-2006, 11:23 PM

One aspect of traditional that the science will never ever be able to replace is the mental game. While I do believe in the importance of supplementing yourself with many parts of the scientific formula, the traditional format is critical to the mental state.

Many may not agree, but I do believe that punishing yourself, pushing yourself to your limits, and enduring the pain of the punishment and exhaustion go a long way to developing a state of mental endurance, discipline and focus. Your body can only take you so far no matter how well supplemented, and scientifically developed it is.

I think a good mixture of both is the most effective.

Crashsti · 06-05-2006, 10:02 AM

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One aspect of traditional that the science will never ever be able to replace is the mental game. While I do believe in the importance of supplementing yourself with many parts of the scientific formula, the traditional format is critical to the mental state.

Many may not agree, but I do believe that punishing yourself, pushing yourself to your limits, and enduring the pain of the punishment and exhaustion go a long way to developing a state of mental endurance, discipline and focus. Your body can only take you so far no matter how well supplemented, and scientifically developed it is.

I think a good mixture of both is the most effective.

i agree that you should occasionally take workouts to a place where you have never thought possible. i however do not agree with the old school sparring methods, such as fresh fighters sparring against tired fighters. or inexperienced fighters being hammered on by much better fighters, i don't believe anyone learns from that. the world of MMA is alreadt tough and careers are often short enough without taking a beating in practice.

Reildeal · 06-05-2006, 04:32 PM

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i agree that you should occasionally take workouts to a place where you have never thought possible. i however do not agree with the old school sparring methods, such as fresh fighters sparring against tired fighters. or inexperienced fighters being hammered on by much better fighters, i don't believe anyone learns from that. the world of MMA is alreadt tough and careers are often short enough without taking a beating in practice.

I agree completely. Nobody learns anything in those situations Crashsti. There's definitely problems if a tired or inexperienced fighter has to spar with a fresh or much more experienced fighter. I do think that it depends on what needs to be accomplished though. The other day I was put into the ring for 6 rounds with someone 3 years more experienced than I, and it wasn't just to go toe to toe with them. We went about %50-75 speed. And the point of the exercise was for me to work on protecting myself. Now my arsenal of strikes wasn't near as expansive as his, nor was my experience as great, BUT I did very well, and I came out of it with better defensive skills, despite having my nose bloodied in the 1st round. And believe me, I DID get my shots in!! I LOVED it.

But I know exercises like these aren't exactly what you were talking about.

Crashsti · 06-12-2006, 08:33 AM

i certainly was'nt talking about a prepared exercise such as you were describing. in the example you experienced there was a set goal in mind and both of you were aware of that goal and worked towards making you a better fighter. i am sure you training partner never entertained the idea of knocking you out cold just to prove how tough he is. however that is exactly the behavior i was speaking of and have seen it happen first hand. what does anyone learn from that?

Reildeal · 06-12-2006, 01:19 PM

Absolutely nothing. I would hate to see anything like that.

Ring_Raider_07 · 06-12-2006, 06:29 PM

I think a combination of the 2 will yeild the best results.

Crashsti · 06-16-2006, 09:35 AM

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I think a combination of the 2 will yeild the best results.

i would agree that many traditional exercises can be applied in a scientific workout but i think to really become a championship fighter you have to put alot of "old school" ideas to rest and really explore how your body works within your sport and go from there. everyone who fights at the top level these days does more than just train at the dojo day in day out.