What do they mean you cant throw the towel in?

j87gtmd · 06-05-2006, 08:10 PM

I was reading something on the ufc website and it stated a foul to throw in the towel. I ve seen this done when cabbage fought sylvia and they stopped the fight.
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules

Fist of Fury · 06-05-2006, 08:23 PM

I had no clue this was a foul and really can't think of a reason it would be unless, for betting reasons, it takes the outcome of a fight away from people outside of the octagon.

j87gtmd · 06-05-2006, 08:32 PM

Yea never thought of that im sure thats probably why, but why did I see this happen already? When did they fight? Im pretty sure it said the winner was Tim Sylvia-by corner stoppage.

angryjonny · 06-05-2006, 08:43 PM

I think they are saying throwing in the towel during "competition" as in one fighter isn't in danger and the fight is still competitive.

JoeRoganismyhero · 06-06-2006, 07:20 AM

Yeah maybe that's what they meant. I haven't seen anyone throw in the towel since Cabbage vs Sylvia that I can remember though.

subgenius · 06-06-2006, 11:58 AM

Corners do not throw in the towels now. The referee is responsible for ending a fight when needed. We all hear complaints about fights being ended too early by a referee... Well, there it is. The corner cannot throw in the towel.

JoeRoganismyhero · 06-06-2006, 12:07 PM

I rarely have a problem when the Ref calls it off, sometimes I thought it was too early, then the guy who lost is on the mat another 30 seconds watching the birdies go around his head!

rsylver · 06-06-2006, 02:20 PM

I think the refs do a great job. I would rather see a rematch than never see a fighter fight again.

Grave · 06-06-2006, 02:28 PM

For some reason reading this thread reminds me of Rocky IV, specifically during the Apollo Vs drago fight.

And the way they made it look like *ONLY ROCKY* could stop the fight by throwing in the towel, when realistically the referee could have and probabley would have stopped it himself.

Apollo's trainer: "Throw in the damn towel!!"

I have no idea what this has to do with the topic itself, just felt like saying it

j87gtmd · 06-06-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Corners do not throw in the towels now. The referee is responsible for ending a fight when needed. We all hear complaints about fights being ended too early by a referee... Well, there it is. The corner cannot throw in the towel.

So are you saying the corner threw the towel in and it was actually the ref who stopped the fight because the towel was thrown in? I dont think he was going to end it until that happened. Cabbage couldnt see, his corner threw towel, ref stopped it.

subgenius · 06-06-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by j87gtmd

So are you saying the corner threw the towel in and it was actually the ref who stopped the fight because the towel was thrown in? I dont think he was going to end it until that happened. Cabbage couldnt see, his corner threw towel, ref stopped it.

Nobody threw the towel in for Jeremy Horn. He simply told the referee that he could not see. The referee ended the fight. It was a verbal submission. Frank Mir also could not see against Pe de Pano, and he said so to the referee. I was extremely surprised that the referee did not call the fight. But, Mir did say that he could still continue. However, we all saw that he definately could NOT continue effectively... That fight should have been stopped. No corner crew threw in any towel.

j87gtmd · 06-06-2006, 07:07 PM

In the future what happens if someones corner throws in towel for an apparently legitimate reason? Is the ref going to stop the fight?

subgenius · 06-06-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by j87gtmd

Yea, cabbage is a retard tho. In the future what happens if someones corner throws in towel for an apparently legitimate reason? Is the ref going to stop the fight?

I think that a good referee will have ended the match before anyone could throw in the towel. Big John McCarthy certainly did not wait for Royce's corner to throw in the towel against Matt Hughes. He stopped the fight for them when it was the right thing to do.

angryjonny · 06-06-2006, 07:49 PM

Yes the referee is responsible for stopping the fight. But I believe a cornerman is going to know the fighter better than any ref would. Then you also have terrible refs like Mario Yamasaki. I think the corners being able to throw a towel in is important.

sitnspin · 06-06-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Yes the referee is responsible for stopping the fight. But I believe a cornerman is going to know the fighter better than any ref would. Then you also have terrible refs like Mario Yamasaki. I think the corners being able to throw a towel in is important.

And then you have Fabiano Scherner's corner who, when their fighter was telling the doctor and the ref that he was seeing double, basically stepped in front of him to say, "He can still fight! He can still fight!" It seemed obvious from his face and body language that he was done, but his team made him go back out and get beat up a little more before the inevitable stoppage.

Edited to add: And if I remember correctly, didn't Shamrock's corner take him out of the fight with Ortiz?

Master Jones · 06-07-2006, 12:28 AM

I would still have to think they would stop the fight if the corner threw in the towel. It would be kind of funny in a sick way I guess to see Big John pick the towel back up and throw it back to the corner man and keep the fight going.

Unknown · 06-07-2006, 05:10 AM

I am fairly sure that all that means is that throwing in the towel is a fowl that is worthy of stopping the fight and that is why the fight is stoped when the towel is thrown in. (because of that rule in the UFC)

angryjonny · 06-07-2006, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

And then you have Fabiano Scherner's corner who, when their fighter was telling the doctor and the ref that he was seeing double, basically stepped in front of him to say, "He can still fight! He can still fight!" It seemed obvious from his face and body language that he was done, but his team made him go back out and get beat up a little more before the inevitable stoppage.

Edited to add: And if I remember correctly, didn't Shamrock's corner take him out of the fight with Ortiz?

Yes this is true. You always have that one scenario that can throw any theory out the window. Scherner's cornermen were just idiots but I guess I should have said most cornermen know their fighters better than anyone else.