Boxing running scared

Beefutz · 06-29-2006, 05:33 PM

The 29-29 thread really got me thinking about this.

I believe the boxing establishment is doing everything they can to discredit MMA.

What really brought this to mind was Jim Lampley hosting the Jim Rome show the other day. A caller asked him about MMA and he launched into a tirade about how it was a joke, it is barfighting, none of these guys could be considered a professional fighter etc. ....Evidently he was flooded with calls because he kept saying he would give the MMA fans a chance to respond. Of course that never happened.

I have noticed the same thing on Rich Mirada's boxing radio show, sometimes people will call up and ask about MMA and he takes the no comment approach. But whenever I see a person involved in boxing questioned re MMA they either lambast it or pretend they don't know it exists.

So it would not surprise me if some boxing promotors paid off a boxing judge to throw a wrench in the UFC's legitimacy. It's not like boxing judges have not been paid off in the past...

TicAL · 06-29-2006, 05:40 PM

I think the whole boxing vs. MMA thing is blown out of proportion. Boxing has done a good job of shooting itself in the foot even before MMA really started to hit the scene.

Guitartv · 06-29-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TicAL

Boxing has done a good job of shooting itself in the foot even before MMA really started to hit the scene.

I totally agree. And with MMA blowing up like it is, people who say that MMA and the UFC are just a bunch of barfights and are never going to be professional fighters, all that does is make them less popular.

Crashsti · 06-30-2006, 12:00 PM

its really funny how Boxing was one of the first groups to call MMA barbaric and attempt to discredit MMA through misinformation. when Mike Tyson was supposed to sign with K-1 to fight, one of the heads of one of the many boxing organizations pleaded for Iron Mike not to degrade himself to the level of kickboxing.

lvsuspect · 07-05-2006, 02:00 PM

I guess this is one of those treads that could go on forever. This is going to be a debated topic for many years to come. Bottom line is that they shouldn't be competing anyways. Everybody know that boxing is going down hill and MMA is climing to the top.

Boxing is really tuff to watch with all the bad decisions. Which MMA is going to have the same problem if they don't get a handle on it. I love boxing, but every time I see a decision that doesn't make any sense it makes me less interested in the sport. The same goes for MMA. It doesn't bother me if there are different opinions, but if everyone except for the judges think the outcome should have been different, then that makes me despise the sport.

I think there should be structured judging. With reprucusions for false judging. Could you imagine a fight in which the fighters didn't have to worry about getting robbed by the judges?

I suggest have each catagorie of a fight to be judged by a percentage of the total points. ie. punching/kicking connections - 45% / aggressivness - 20% / ring generalship - 10% / control - 25% (not exactly this, but you get the idea).... Each round would have a score in each catagorie... At the end of each round each fighter would recieve a 9 or 10 in each. At the end of each round each sections points are multiplied by the percentage, added together, and then rounded.

This way the scoring is structured and he judges would have something to back up the reason that they scored each fight the way they did. In addition, I think there should be online judging that is reviewed and compared to the judges score cards. This way if there is something fishy, then there will be a tool to help point it out.

That is my thoughts on it anyways. What do you guys think about something like this?

Jeremy Jacobs

Crashsti · 07-05-2006, 02:17 PM

what you just described is essentially how PrideFC judges thier fights. they don't use a 10 point must system and from what i recall they have a much better record when it comes to decisions.

lvsuspect · 07-05-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

what you just described is essentially how PrideFC judges thier fights. they don't use a 10 point must system and from what i recall they have a much better record when it comes to decisions.

I didn't know that. I think it is a good idea to keep it fair..

imdahman · 07-05-2006, 07:38 PM

Isn't the scoring system part of the unified rules set? In order for them to be sanctioned by Nevada State Commission, they have to adopt the unified rules. If they throw it out the window then they're back to being underground and that isn't an option.

I agree the judging isn't good and I really do with that changes were made, but I think there's really nothing they can do about it because it falls under the umbrella of Unified Rules and I doubt a commission like that is quick to change.

There are definitely bad judges judging a lot of the MMA fights, and I do hope it all changes for the sake of the sport.

tejas · 07-05-2006, 08:44 PM

every since theres been money involved in boxing, theres been a certain amount of corruption. its been going on since before any of us were born and will continue. boxing is one of the easiest sports there is to "buy" the outcome. there are only two people competing and only one of them has to know.
most of the big fights take place in vegas, most of the heavy betting is done there too. its no surprise that a big portion of bad decisions take place there as well. i DONT think the judges are paid off. i do believe that they are encouraged to award close rounds to one or the other of the two fighters.
americans hate ties. in almost all major sports they have a tie breaker of some kind. my suggestion is that fights that dont end before the prescribed number of rounds are up should have a tie breaker too. in boxing, after ten rounds, off come the gloves. in mma, fight till its over. the hell with judges altogether, save the money.

Jras0001 · 07-06-2006, 05:18 AM

I used to be a huge boxing fan. I could watch re-run events over and over. Finally, it just got to a point where i despised even seeing an event, much less considering paying for it. Watching what people like Don King and corruption did to a sport I loved just made me sick and I completely stopped watching. As far as I'm concerned, boxing is dead to me, and that in itself makes me pretty sad because I can remember loving it at one point.

I just hope that the sport of MMA looks at what boxing once was and what it is today and learns from that. MMA is in a very good position right now. It has the ability to basicly define itself and make certain that the sport stays untainted, as best as can be achieved, by corruption and judging problems. I just hope that they do what it takes to make accomplish that.