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Originally Posted by Elder
totally disagree. Boxing and MMA are two different realms of striking.
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The only difference between boxingīs striking and MMA`s striking is the fact that lighter gloves are used in MMA and that MMA has a wider variety of strikes. A boxer is technically a better striker than a MMA fighter, since the MMA fighter has to train and master many moves, whereas the boxer trains for a limited amount of moves. Hence, the boxer is limited in what he can offer, but what he puts out there is striking in perfection. This doesnīt mean a MMA fighter canīt be a good boxer, if you have factual proof to the contrary please present it.
Im MMA lighter gloves are used, which is a punishement by Boxing standards, this is why you see so many fights finished off by strikes in MMA so quickly, on the other hand, in Boxing you need to go head to head for 12 rounds which is a war on its own.
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Originally Posted by Elder
Next you are going to be saying that just because Fedor is an excellent all around fighter, he can beat world champion boxers.
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Mike Tyson is not a world champion anymore, hasnīt been one since 1996 and those victories came at the hands of 3 worthless opponents. And he hasnīt been a real world champion since 1990. In a Pride ring, Fedor would beat Tyson with ease, in a Boxing ring I think he would beat him too and on the streets I think Tyson would get killed by Fedor.
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Not trying to put words in your mouth but is do you believe that too?
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See my response above
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Sorry, thought I saw some other thread where you were saying Fedor could beat James Toney in a boxing match.
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Yes, I actual do believe that. Are you going to tell me what I can and canīt believe?
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There is a reason why there hasn't been a white heavyweight champion--it's called facial structure.
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There are 4 white heavyweight champions right now, whatīs the point? Facial structure?? Are you kidding me? The facial structure is responsible for there not being a white HW champion? Ok, that was funny, but if you really want to look smart now and make it seem like you know what you are saying, please provide some medical proof, or at least some empirical studies.
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Btw, I am white. Yeah Yeah, disagree if you want.
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Who cares if you are white. This is not about races, and yes I disagree with your facial structure theory.
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Originally Posted by Elder
Fedor is not a professional boxer. He is a very good MMA striker.
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Fedor is a champion. Fedor is probaly the best MMA fighter ever, now you are going to tell me a man of his talent couldnīt box? No, he is not a professional boxer, but he could be in an instance of a second depending of what contract and license he obtains. His career preference is in no way proof of how he would do as a boxer, I personally donīt see any reason why he couldnīt be an excellent boxer.
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Personally, I think Vitor would have a much better chance against Tyson than Fedor or Mirko would.
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And why is that?
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And yes, I think Mcbride could even take his 33 win 28 by knockout record and knockout Fedor.
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Ahh, a records man. No matter who he obtained those 33 wins from, it doesnīt matter eh? Important thing is he has 33 wins by 28 knockouts. I suggest you look at his record and name me ONE person he has knocked out with a reputation. Numbers are decieving my friend, and they donīt mean anything when it comes to stepping into the ring with a superior fighter.
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MMA vs. Boxing in a boxing match.. Boxing will win.
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Depends on the fighters, but on paper yes, probably right. However this wasnīt the issue, the issue was Mike Tyson. Not MMA vs Boxing in general.
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The last thing to fail a fighter is punching power. If you think Tyson doesn't still have that, then you are mistaken. It would only take one clean shot from Tyson and that wouldn't take long with a non-boxing opponent.
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I am sure he has some great punching power left, although when he caught Danny Williams with a clean shot which would have decapitated his opponents in the 80īs, Danny shook it off and TKOīed Tyson in a very humiliating 4 rounds.
And of course it only takes one clean shot to knock somebody out, infact I have had discussion with people about how Mirkoīs Jaw is NOT glass, just because he got knocked out with a clean shot by Randleman. A perfect placed punch will knock anybody out, but does that mean Tyson will deliver this punch in a fight? Fedor, Mirko or others wonīt just stand there and wait for Tyson to throw that punch.
Forget Mike Tyson man, I was the biggest Tyson fan.. I paid 50 Dollars pro PPV to watch his fight in the 80īs and would have paid 100. I made excuses for him when he went to jail, I made excuses for him when Holyfield absolutely degraded him the first time. I made excuses for him when he bit Holyfieldīs ear off, and I made excuses for him when he acted like a idiot at the press conference with Lewis. All my life we have made excuses for Tyson. Itīs time to wake up people... The tyson which fought Williams and McBride, is not a champion and nothing worth mentioning, and if you really look at his career, you will see why he was so dominating for a short period. 1. Brute force, speed and strength, but 2. more importantly.. fear. The fear his opponents had in their eyes, when they were about to go into a fight with Iron Mike. Holyfield wasnīt scared, Lewis wasnīt scared, Botha wasnīt even scared. Williams and McBride sealed his faith, and proved the world once and for all, if you donīt fear Tyson, you will beat Tyson.
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Last edited by SeikanJudanski : 09-07-2006 at 09:11 AM.
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