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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway
IN HIS PRIME.... please stop trying to talk to every post you reply too... and thanks for the tyson history lesson, ive actually seen every one of his fights many times... buster douglas started the downfall of mike tyson... it was a huge upset.. and since that fight tyson either fought easier opponents or didnt do well against the top flight guys like evander... and thus started to decline... so to talk about douglas or after has 0 to do with my point.
regardless, IN HIS PRIME, he would destroy fedor IN BOXING with a KO in i dont know, 40 seconds? definently within 2 rounds... being a big pride fan or not doesnt matter, in boxing in tysons prime it would be just an add on to his brutal highlight reel
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Dude, Tyson DID fight Buster Douglas IN HIS PRIME. Thus, he got knocked out IN HIS PRIME. PRIME doesnīt mean the time period which one was undeafeated, Prime is the most active, thriving, or satisfying stage or period and that was clearly before Douglas and even the 4 fights he had after Douglas. If you are counting his fights before the Douglas fight as HIS PRIME, and then trying to make it look like all of the sudden HIS PRIME was over when he lost to Douglas, then you are trying to decieve yourself and everybody else. Tyson lost to Douglas at 24 years of age. So talking about Douglas has very much to do with your point, besides that, who cares who Tyson would have beat 20 years ago, this thread is about 2006 Tyson and also questions about him in a ring against MMA fighters. What Tyson did 20 years ago might have amazed everybody then, but this is now.
I also donīt agree with your 40 second theory, as if Tyson knocked every one of his opponents out. Even in his "prime" Tyson went the distance with a few fighters like Tilis, Tucker, Green or Smith. Stop making Tyson into somebody he never was.
Thank god this thread included the question of Tyson in MMA or whatever, or I would request this thread to be moved to the boxing forum. In any case, letīs look at your viscious Tyson. Letīs analyse him and what gave him this invincible aura. It is important to take into consideration who Tyson fought in his first 20 enounters.
Fight No.1 Hector Mercedes, this was Mercedesīs 2nd pro fight ever, he lost the first one.
Fight No.2 Trent Singleton, this was Trentīs 5th fight, he lost the first 3.
Fight No.3 Don Halpin, a fighter with a record of 9 wins and 18! losses.
Fight No.4 Ricardo Spain, this was Spainīs 2nd Professional fight.
Fight No.5 John Alderson, Aldersonīs 4th Professional fight.
Fight No.6 Larry Sims, Sims had a record of 3 wins and 16!!! losses.
Fight No.7 Lorenzo Canady, Canadyīs 4th Professional fight.
Fight No.8 Michael Johnson, a fighter who had already lost 5 of his 16 bouts.
Fight No.9 Donnie Long, 15-3, on paper Tysonīs strongest opponent to date.
Fight No.10 Robert Colay, at 8 wins and 5 losses again not a real opponent.
Fight No.11 Sterling Benjamin, with 3 wins and 6 losses, 33% win quote.
Fight No.12 Eddie Richardson, 11 wins and 2 losses, again on paper somebody strong.
Fight No.13 Conroy Nelson, 15 wins and 7 losses, again worthless.
Fight No.14 Sammy Scaff, 13 wins and 6 losses.
Fight No.15 Mark Young, 8 wins and 6 losses.
Fight No.16 David Jaco, 19 and 5 at least better than the last three.
Fight No.17 Mike Jameson, at 14 and 9!
Fight No.18 Jesse Ferguson, 14-1, Ferguson got disqualifed for holding.
Fight No.19 Steve Zouski, 26 wins and 9 losses.
Now.. these are his first 19 fights. It was THESE fights which gave Tyson the reputation he had, before he fought in his 20th fight against James Tilis. Tilis a fighter who had lost 8 fights in his career previous to Tyson, took Tyson to the scorecards.
So... Mike Tysonīs first 20 fights are worthless. Perfectly picked and chosen fighters, who made him look good and invincible, but not to take all credit from him, letīs look at who else he fought until the fight against Douglas.
Green, Ross, Hosea, Boyd, Ribalta and Ralif. These fights added to Tysonīs mythos, although none of the fighters were anything special. He even went the distance with Green, although he outclassed him by lengths.
Then come the championships against Berbick, Smith, Tucker. Fights against Thomas, a old holmes, biggs, tubbs and Spinks.
Spinks, Tucker and Biggs were the only fighters who were undeafeated going into the fights against Tyson. Of all the fighters, on paper, Tucker was most impressive, and Spinks was supposed to be his match. Spinks was a very light HW, who didnīt even attempt to throw a punch in his fight, got knocked out in 90 seconds.
He then continued to fight Bruno and Williams.. and then came Douglas.
We have to face the facts, Mike Tyson is a myth.. he made his reputation in his first 20 fights, fighting nobodies, his next 10 fights were against people who SAW his first 20 fights and got scared.
I give Tyson points for being the youngest champ ever, beating Tucker, Holmes, Spinks and Biggs along with his first fight againt Ruddock.
But is that enough? Why is it that the baddest dude on the planet on beat 5 guys worth mentioning? Ruddock lost his first fight against Tyson by TKO, but Ruddock came back in their second encounter to take it to the scorecards.
I was 14 years old when Tyson lost to Douglas, and my whole teenage life I thought of Tyson to be the greatest ever, and when he came out of Jail, I thought he would be the man again. At age 32, with fighting experience and more of an objective mind, I can see very clear that Tyson was a good fighter with a rock hard punch, who was faster than most of his opponents, but he never conquered a great fighter of the caliber of Holyfield or even Lewis. Larry Holmes said he laughed all the way to the bank after his loss, he would have been a great one, but was waaaay past his prime against Tyson.