Final Conflict Absolute *PBP* **Spoiler**

Mixologist47 · 09-12-2006, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SeikanJudanski

I don´t know about the eye-poke. I watched that fight three times, and I still couldn´t make out where this thumb got into Barnett´s eye. In any case, he was getting pounded in to the canvas, Mirko dropped him and was beating on him, with or without a thumb, Mikro was absolutely dominating him, not saying that Barnett didn´t put up a good fight.

I could be wrong. My stupid DVR didnt record the fight so I can't watch it again. You're right though. It wouldnt have mattered if there was or wasnt a poke. I'm very impressed with Mirko's performance. I started out as a UFC fan and have been watching Pride for about 6 months now. I've seen about 25 events now and I'm hooked. This event sucked me in even more. Best event of the year IMHO.

angryjonny · 09-22-2006, 02:32 AM

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Watching the fight between Overeem and Arona again, I can see what Overeem means with the freak injury. When Arona low kicked him in the beginning, it wasn´t the impact of the low kick that put Overeem down, he moved in an awkward manner and injured his foot, it looked like his toe. I definitely want to see Arona vs. Overeem again.

You could call that a freak injury to make an excuse for the loss but Arona had the body triangle locked tight and he was going nowhere fast. I don't know how you could think it wasn't the impact of the low kick because that was a standard Arona brutal low kick and that is the kind of impact that can tear ligaments, bust knee caps or whatever.

Overeem got completely owned and I'd love to see it again except he needs to move on to better things and get another title shot or at least a rematch with Shogun.

And yeah I know I'm wayyyyy late on this but I've just got around to watching it. Freakin school sucks.

SeikanJudanski · 09-22-2006, 06:20 AM

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You could call that a freak injury to make an excuse for the loss but Arona had the body triangle locked tight and he was going nowhere fast. I don't know how you could think it wasn't the impact of the low kick because that was a standard Arona brutal low kick and that is the kind of impact that can tear ligaments, bust knee caps or whatever.

Overeem got completely owned and I'd love to see it again except he needs to move on to better things and get another title shot or at least a rematch with Shogun.

And yeah I know I'm wayyyyy late on this but I've just got around to watching it. Freakin school sucks.

The reason it seems to be a freak injury is that he got hit in the right leg, but it seems as if he hurt is left heel. When Arona connected with the left low kick, Overeem moved back, and somehow didn´t manage to correctly back up with his left heel, it seemed as if his foot was paralyzed for a moment and this caused him to fall to the ground. I have to strongly disagree that it was one of those "brutal low kicks". However, even if he moved back in a weird way and injured himself because of that, you still have to give credit to Arona, because it was the low kick that made him back up in the first place. No excuses being made here for Overeem, however I am confident that this totally threw him off.

About getting completely owned, well I see it different. Overeem was actually owning him standing up until that happened, and in Overeem´s guard or side control, Arona couldn´t really land any shots, until he managed to mount his back, by the way the triangle was not as tight as you think, Arona´s left leg wasn´t even completely locked. It was due to Overeem not defending himself anymore that he was able to keep the mount.

After Overeem tapped, Arona hit him in the face on purpose, and for this gesture alone, I hope that Overeem beats the snot out of him if they fight again. It is behaviour like this that makes people not like him, but that is a different topic.

angryjonny · 09-22-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SeikanJudanski

The reason it seems to be a freak injury is that he got hit in the right leg, but it seems as if he hurt is left heel. When Arona connected with the left low kick, Overeem moved back, and somehow didn´t manage to correctly back up with his left heel, it seemed as if his foot was paralyzed for a moment and this caused him to fall to the ground. I have to strongly disagree that it was one of those "brutal low kicks". However, even if he moved back in a weird way and injured himself because of that, you still have to give credit to Arona, because it was the low kick that made him back up in the first place. No excuses being made here for Overeem, however I am confident that this totally threw him off.

About getting completely owned, well I see it different. Overeem was actually owning him standing up until that happened, and in Overeem´s guard or side control, Arona couldn´t really land any shots, until he managed to mount his back, by the way the triangle was not as tight as you think, Arona´s left leg wasn´t even completely locked. It was due to Overeem not defending himself anymore that he was able to keep the mount.

After Overeem tapped, Arona hit him in the face on purpose, and for this gesture alone, I hope that Overeem beats the snot out of him if they fight again. It is behaviour like this that makes people not like him, but that is a different topic.

I know you weren't making excuses. I'm just messing with you because everyone always says Arona makes excuses and how he can't finish anyone and other crap like that. It didn't seem like anything was wrong with Overeems ankles when he was throwing those upkicks and using his left foot to scoot back while Arona was trying to get better position when they were scooting toward the ringpost after falling down. You may see it differently but I saw it as Arona proving that his kicks are powerful enough to put you on your butt. He's done it several times now and it also proves that Silva didn't just "slip"

I don't remember Overeem ever owning anything. Didn't he just throw like one flying knee that didn't even land cleanly. I saw them stand for a little bit then Arona took him down and methodically took him apart with ease.

I don't know if you've ever felt a body triangle but even one that you are assuming doesn't look very tight can still hurt like hell. Even so I disagree I think he had it on fine.

Come on dude. It was like a split second after the tap. I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out. It's nothing compared to when Barnett tapped out to the freak injury and Mirko kept punching him like 6 times well after the fact.

SeikanJudanski · 09-22-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

I know you weren't making excuses. I'm just messing with you because everyone always says Arona makes excuses and how he can't finish anyone and other crap like that. It didn't seem like anything was wrong with Overeems ankles when he was throwing those upkicks and using his left foot to scoot back while Arona was trying to get better position when they were scooting toward the ringpost after falling down. You may see it differently but I saw it as Arona proving that his kicks are powerful enough to put you on your butt. He's done it several times now and it also proves that Silva didn't just "slip"

I don't remember Overeem ever owning anything. Didn't he just throw like one flying knee that didn't even land cleanly. I saw them stand for a little bit then Arona took him down and methodically took him apart with ease.

I don't know if you've ever felt a body triangle but even one that you are assuming doesn't look very tight can still hurt like hell. Even so I disagree I think he had it on fine.

Come on dude. It was like a split second after the tap. I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out. It's nothing compared to when Barnett tapped out to the freak injury and Mirko kept punching him like 6 times well after the fact.

All I am saying is, he threw a low kick, Overeem moved back wrong, and hurt his left foot. Now he said this himself, and is clear to see on the video. So I am not doubting what he said. His foot might have looked fine after the takedown, however he mentioned that his left foot was paralyzed for a moment, and that is also obviously why Arona even got the takedown.

Arona was clearly losing the stand up ( the few seconds of what we had) until that takedown. I am confident that the fight would have gone a different way if Overeem wouldn´t have hurt his heel. You may disagree, and that is fine.

About the body triangle, yes I have felt a few, and I have applied enough to know his triangle was not tight in the last few seconds of the fight.

Regarding the punch after the tap, it was messed up. I am not going to say it wasn´t and what Mirko did to Barnett in their first encounter has nothing to do with this. I respect Arona as a fighter, he has proven to be a excellent grappler and good fighter, his stand up is not great, but is overall a good fighter.

angryjonny · 09-22-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SeikanJudanski

All I am saying is, he threw a low kick, Overeem moved back wrong, and hurt his left foot. Now he said this himself, and is clear to see on the video. So I am not doubting what he said. His foot might have looked fine after the takedown, however he mentioned that his left foot was paralyzed for a moment, and that is also obviously why Arona even got the takedown.

Arona was clearly losing the stand up ( the few seconds of what we had) until that takedown. I am confident that the fight would have gone a different way if Overeem wouldn´t have hurt his heel. You may disagree, and that is fine.

About the body triangle, yes I have felt a few, and I have applied enough to know his triangle was not tight in the last few seconds of the fight.

Regarding the punch after the tap, it was messed up. I am not going to say it wasn´t and what Mirko did to Barnett in their first encounter has nothing to do with this. I respect Arona as a fighter, he has proven to be a excellent grappler and good fighter, his stand up is not great, but is overall a good fighter.

I can't disagree with that. I'm not saying that it wasn't an odd turn of events because Alistair did look silly the way he went down. It wasn't normal that's for sure. What I'm saying though is his foot injury that happend a couple minutes prior isn't (or doesn't seem to me at least) the reason he tapped out. It's not like he was just laying there and tapped out. He wasn't in the best position ever. He had Arona on his back with a body triangle raining down with punches. Not much anyone could do about that.

What I was getting at with the Mirko and Barnett comparison was pretty much the same thing. Barnett tapped out, and he wasn't just lightly tapping the mat, he was slamming his palm down. Mirko unless he is deaf had to have heard that he still punched him several times after the fact even while he was pulling away and the ref was trying to seperate them. I'm just saying that kind of stuff happens all the time but the exciting and popular fighters can get away with it as long as they don't "LnP" to get wins.

I could also say it's messed up when Mirko added the unnecessary blows to Dos Caras and Aleks after they had been knocked out. But I don't care that much.

lwbfl · 09-22-2006, 07:45 PM

The fight continues until the REF stops the fight.

Gooner · 09-22-2006, 07:47 PM

Mirko had no idea Barnett had tapped in that first fight.

And him punching Dos Caras and Aleks is completely understandable. The fighters aren't watching it from a couch all relaxed, where they can just be 100% sure "oh, he's out. I can leave it at that".
It's the ref's job to stop the fight, the fighters are just thinking about finishing the opponent. If they realize the guy's out, of course they'll let it go (like Mirko did against Vovchanchyn).

Chuck's added some punches to Randy too, that look bad in replays, but it's not slow-motion in real life, it happens quick.

angryjonny · 09-22-2006, 09:18 PM

You guys are exactly right. That's exactly what I'm talking about. I think you guys are taking my comments the wrong way though.

I'm not saying that he did anything against the rules because he didn't. It more of a principal thing, but think about it did Mirko really need to put those exclamation points on either guy? No, but he did anyway and no one says anything because it was an awesome fight and everyone loves Mirko. Did Arona need to hit Overeem that last time? No but he did hit him one extra time a split second after the stoppage. Big deal. Overeem was never in the fight and he would lose 9 times out of 10 only due to the 1% "anything can happen" factor and injury.

SeikanJudanski · 09-22-2006, 09:51 PM

Never argue about Arona with a man, who´s custom title is "Ricardo Arona´s Boyfriend". Overeem will teach him a lesson once they fight again, and I am open for a side bet, Angryjohnny.

angryjonny · 09-22-2006, 10:14 PM

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Never argue about Arona with a man, who´s custom title is "Ricardo Arona´s Boyfriend". Overeem will teach him a lesson once they fight again, and I am open for a side bet, Angryjohnny.

You are on my friend. And if that rematch doesn't happen soon I'll bet that Arona takes out anyone they put in with him next, including Shogun or Silva.

SeikanJudanski · 09-22-2006, 10:37 PM

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You are on my friend. And if that rematch doesn't happen soon I'll bet that Arona takes out anyone they put in with him next, including Shogun or Silva.

Ok, Arona vs Overeem we are on. 10,000 like last time if you wish. If he fights Shogun again, I will bet you 50,000 he will lose again. Other opponents I don´t care for.

angryjonny · 09-22-2006, 11:28 PM

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Ok, Arona vs Overeem we are on. 10,000 like last time if you wish. If he fights Shogun again, I will bet you 50,000 he will lose again. Other opponents I don´t care for.

Alright we are on. This time I won't go and be stupid and forget about the bet and waste all my points on boxing again like last time. Although I won't really need to worry about it. Ooohhhhhhh

What do you think though. Arona gets the winner of Shogun vs. Randleman seems possible. They could make that a #1 contendor match. Don't you think?

SeikanJudanski · 09-23-2006, 05:15 PM

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Alright we are on. This time I won't go and be stupid and forget about the bet and waste all my points on boxing again like last time. Although I won't really need to worry about it. Ooohhhhhhh

What do you think though. Arona gets the winner of Shogun vs. Randleman seems possible. They could make that a #1 contendor match. Don't you think?

Hehe.. ok man, save your points.

About Shogun vs. Randleman, I don´t think they are fighting at MW. Arona might get set up with Overeem again.

Mulla · 10-02-2006, 06:15 AM

I finally got to see the Overeem/Arona fight at the weekend and I dont understand where the confusion over Overeem tapping came from....Mauro said he thought it was due to the punishing leg kick that Arona threw (obviously wasnt) and Frank said his friend sitting ringside said it was due to the body triangle.

Ive watched the ending several times now and Im sure it was due to a punch in the eye that caused Allistair to tap. You can see when Arona's on his back he throws 2 or 3 rights and then a big left that goes under Allistairs arm and connects with the left side of his face (most likely his eye). Its immediately after this that Overeem taps, he even reaches for his eye when he stands up.

lethalweapon · 10-04-2006, 01:50 PM

Awesome Play by play action

I knew shogun would win! Now when he beats Randleman (which he will) He will probably be able to fight Coleman again.

Ryduce · 10-04-2006, 02:40 PM

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Awesome Play by play action

I knew shogun would win! Now when he beats Randleman (which he will) He will probably be able to fight Coleman again.

I don't know man.

Without being able to use stomps and soccer kicks Shogun's arsenal will be limited.Not to mention Shogun is coming off a pretty nasty injury.And Randleman has proven that on any given night he can beat anybody in the world.Depending on which Randleman shows up Shogun may be in some trouble.

I have always wanted Coleman and Randleman to do big things,but they have always fallen short when on the cusp of greatness.(Granted Randleman was champ and Coleman won a GP.)But even still they are looked at as not ever living up to thier potential.On October 21st I will be rooting for both Coleman and Randleman.I'm hoping that Coleman pulls off the biggest upset in MMA history,and then retires on the highest note possible by beating the greatest MMA fighter ever.

War Hammerhouse!!!!!

lethalweapon · 10-04-2006, 09:46 PM

I do think Randelman has talent but Shogun will most likely out strike him. and no soccer kicks whats up with that?

Flying Triangle Choke · 10-05-2006, 01:47 AM

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I do think Randelman has talent but Shogun will most likely out strike him. and no soccer kicks whats up with that?

The Nevada State Athletic Commission won't allow them.

DirtyChuckRulz! · 10-12-2006, 01:43 PM

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Alright we are on. This time I won't go and be stupid and forget about the bet and waste all my points on boxing again like last time. Although I won't really need to worry about it. Ooohhhhhhh

What do you think though. Arona gets the winner of Shogun vs. Randleman seems possible. They could make that a #1 contendor match. Don't you think?

Im not bailin u tou again jonny.