boxing vs mma

whiskey · 10-17-2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lethalweapon

How do you unlock that Gym?

You need to get the magic key from the old wizard. But before you do that you have to prove yourself worthy by defeating the purple dragon using the wind spell.

asronn · 10-17-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lwbfl

Some MMA fighters still box, or came from boxing, so you have to look at the individual on both ends before making our guess on who would win.

What level of skill are we talking. I watch boxing as much as MMA and I have yet to see a MMA fighter and go "oh man this guy was a great boxer". More often I here Rogan or some other anouncer say it. Then I watch them throw punches and I think well if used to be a competitive boxer he must have forgotten everything because his punches are not very good...I have never been impressed by an MMA fighters boxing background, but I love to watch them bang. Any MMA fighter worth taling about trains to box. I think there a big difference between training to box in an MMA match and boxing as a career

w0264007 · 10-17-2006, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lethalweapon

How do you unlock that Gym?

I started a link for UFC secrets and unlockables.

http://www.fightforum.com/fighting-v...html#post84467

w0264007 · 10-17-2006, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by asronn

What level of skill are we talking. I watch boxing as much as MMA and I have yet to see a MMA fighter and go "oh man this guy was a great boxer". More often I here Rogan or some other anouncer say it. Then I watch them throw punches and I think well if used to be a competitive boxer he must have forgotten everything because his punches are not very good...I have never been impressed by an MMA fighters boxing background, but I love to watch them bang. Any MMA fighter worth taling about trains to box. I think there a big difference between training to box in an MMA match and boxing as a career

I always like to use the excuse that there is just a different type of stance when you are defending a takedown (or could potentially have to). That might be BS, but it usually shuts the "MMA guys don't have good technique" guys up...at least the ones who know nothing about grappling.

asronn · 10-17-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by w0264007

I always like to use the excuse that there is just a different type of stance when you are defending a takedown (or could potentially have to). That might be BS, but it usually shuts the "MMA guys don't have good technique" guys up...at least the ones who know nothing about grappling.

I hear you, I just dont think thats it. I think they has something to do with but more than that, if yur gonna fight in MMA, boxing cant be your focus. And its a different type of boxing. The differnt stance excuse is silly. I ask you to name one successful boxer who fights in MMA? and please dont say guys like Ray Mercer. He was too ld to compete in boxing so he turned to MMA where they arent as skilled as they guys he would have to face and he could get a payday off name recognition. I just think they are different sports and when you say this guywould go out be a successful boxer you are really disrespecting boxing. Look at the difference in the top of the sport. How many Boxing Champs have less than 20 prof wins? How many MMA Champs have more than 20 wins before tey get a title shot?? Vitor Belfort is considered by many to be a great boxer. He has 21 fights. Do you really think he could win against a heavyweight Champion? Or former heavyweight Champion? in a boxing ring

MTKrav911 · 10-17-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bull

Saying a boxer is only able to use his fists does not make sense. You only see what the fighters do in the ring, you have no idea how they react when there are no rules to play by. Most boxers are kind of experienced streetfighters, they are used to fighting all kinds of people, not only (other) boxers.
Do you really think any MMA guy could just go in there and take George Foreman down? LOL I don't think so ...

Excellent Point on FOreman...

I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but here-go's.

If a well established grecco roman wrestler (Olympic Caliber) fought a boxer, I'd take the wrestler every day of the week and twice on sunday.

I mean it worked in Rocky III!!!!!

And yes I'm just kidding.

Crashsti · 10-17-2006, 12:42 PM

even within the sport of boxing there are differant schools of thought regarding which way is the best. you have defensive fighters, volume punchers, brawlers, counter fighters, classic boxers. so which one of those boxing styles translates best into MMA? Boxing vs. MMA has already been answered. you could reword the question into, "one dimensional fighters vs. well rounded fighters". it does'nt matter if a guy is a boxer or a Judoka or a BJJ guy. the odds are always that the fighter with a better arsenal of skills is going to win. and oh yeah, Streetfighting is not an accepted skill. Street fighting is more of a detriment than anything else, it proves one thing and that is the guy lacks self control and discipline.

comucazi · 10-17-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

This kind of like asking who would win if basketball players and football players play soccer.

basketball players would win lol

striker · 10-25-2006, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by comucazi

i think if a boxer and mma fought in the streets, not in the ring not in the octagon. mma guy would win 9 /10 times

Not if the MMA guy got knocked out. Don't forget that boxers have athletic ability, therefore and I refuse to think that boxers would be sitting ducks when taken to the ground. On a ground fight, I think it would be closed than 9 out of 10 in the MMA guy's favor. I think a boxer would win 4 out of 6. Oh, and that Japanese "boxer" Fujima or something, the one on pride who has lost all 3 or 4 of his fights, don't use his as a reference...he sucks, even as a boxer. Imagine a prime Mike Tyson on top of you about to do the ground-n-pound. Murder!

Bull · 10-26-2006, 02:30 AM

striker, I agree. Very good assessment.

MillerLite · 10-26-2006, 03:38 AM

Street fight scenario is a bit different, a boxer might get the upper hand, or a better chance, since it involves fast, powerful, and determined actions in a couple of minutes only. Some grappling or BJJ techniques might not work as well in a street fight, due to no-rule, anything goes situation. A guy could bite on you, kick your groin, pull and break your fingers, headbutt, eye poke, while you're trying to lock up a sub or get a dominant position.

striker · 10-26-2006, 08:39 AM

To add to this, I was a boxer for a solid 10 years, amateur. I had about 400 fights. Now that I live in Japan and have taken up Judo, when I was a beginner, my fights against black belts would usually end in a draw, meaning they were not able to submit or beat me on their "domain," the ground. I think my athletic ability and strength are the main reasons why. Now that I have more experience, I am kicking most of their asses. Maybe this is a unique case, I am not sure but what I can tell you is don't count a boxer out just because a fight goes to the ground. They may not win all fights this way but they sure as hell aren't going to lose all of them.

w0264007 · 10-26-2006, 10:24 AM

Tyson is one of the best boxers in history. Against one of the best MMartists in history, Fedor, he would not be able to get in a GnP position. He would be reversed and GnP'ed or worse.

To apply some fight math:
Average boxer </= Average MMArtist
Top boxer </= Top MMArtist
Top boxer > Average MMArtist
Average boxer < Top MMArtist

Bull · 10-26-2006, 12:51 PM

MMA is so overrated.
Boxers in the octagon would not box only, they would fight and give it all they got.

Dirty Fighter · 10-26-2006, 01:03 PM

The mixed in mixed martial arts refers to the different styles used by the fighters, not the fact that fighters use multiple styles offighting and can adapt to any given situation he is in. Wrestlers and BJJ guys learn striking because therules allow them, but it is not something that they just pick up overnight. They train and train and train the techniques before they ever step into a fight. If you gave a boxer the same opportunity to train grappling or at least takedown defense before they fought you may very well have another Chuck Liddell on your hands. The same goes for he mixed martial artist. If they got time to train boxing technique, they would probably be able to hold their own.

w0264007 · 10-26-2006, 02:57 PM

This is all assuming the same level of athleticism. Identical twins separated at birth, one trained as a MMArtist, and the other as a boxer, I give an edge to the MMArtist in a street fight.

Sure the boxer can eyepoke, bite, and break fingers, but so can the MMArtist.

I think "Boxing" is one of the most effective striking art there is. If a boxer cross trained in a grappling style, he would be hard to handle. Think Vitor Belfort, Phil Baroni and the Nog bros. However, they would then no longer be boxers, but would be MMArtists. I have a whole thread dedicated to this in the Arena forum: "2nd generation MMA" or something like that.

Crashsti · 10-30-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bull

MMA is so overrated.
Boxers in the octagon would not box only, they would fight and give it all they got.

the evolution of MMA competition has proven that one dimensional fighters are at a huge disadvantage. granted there has'nt been any champion caliber boxers competing in MMA but aside from a punchers chance a boxer has a very limited array of skills to fall back on. you say they will give it all they have but all that means is they are going to get tired. a dedicated boxer with no formal training in ground fighting might "know" what they should do but its applying that knowledge that will be difficult. example: boxer is taken to the ground by wrestler, boxer has no ground fighting experience and therefore struggles to get to his feet. Wrestler simply pins boxer until all his struggling wears him out. i don't care what the boxer thinks he can do or is going to try, if he has'nt spent time training he is'nt going to be able to apply it.

Crashsti · 10-30-2006, 09:43 AM

there is also the aspect of conditioning that becomes relevant. Boxers spend all of thier time training in a standing position. they don't grapple as part of thier daily routine. now a boxer is in superb condition but they are'nt conditioned for the activity involved on the ground. the removal of lactic acid is very specific, muscles have to be trained to deal with it and remove it. a boxer on the ground would be using muscles they don't normally use and those muscles would fall victim to excessive lactic acid build up and no longer be able to contract. there is more to a fight than just technique.

sitnspin · 10-30-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by w0264007

Tyson is one of the best boxers in history.

I wish I could let comments like that go, but in no way is Mike Tyson one of the best boxers in history. I question your knowledge of the sport and its history if you really believe that's true. At best I'll say that he could have been one of the best ever, if his career and his life had gone very differently. As it is, he'll be remembered as a freakshow and a footnote with a severely padded record thanks to Don King feeding him an endless string of chumps to knock out.

w0264007 · 10-30-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

I wish I could let comments like that go, but in no way is Mike Tyson one of the best boxers in history. I question your knowledge of the sport and its history if you really believe that's true. At best I'll say that he could have been one of the best ever, if his career and his life had gone very differently. As it is, he'll be remembered as a freakshow and a footnote with a severely padded record thanks to Don King feeding him an endless string of chumps to knock out.

Ok. If you want to say that Tyson never reached his potential because his career ended too soon, fine. I can accept that. You want to say that Tyson was fed cans, fine. I can accept that, too.

All I meant was that Tyson was very good. He would KO all but a hand full of the greats. I think he would stand a good chance against Ali, Foreman, or Marchiano. Bottom line is that it is still my opinion.