Crashsti

i have never been a big fan of TUF, not since season one came out. its an interesting idea but as someone who tries to take part in the sport as much as watch it, TUF was'nt really designed for me. i have watched TUF and TUF3but like some of you said, the drama in the house gets old and i wish they'd show more training footage. however most people don't look at it that way. they want to BS in the house and then a fight at the end. i think TUF has actually done alot for the sport but i hate when people try talking UFC without knowing that the UFC has been around alot longer than Diego Sanchez's UFC career. TUF is good for the sport, just not for me personally.

subgenius

I think the house idea and Reality TV idea has run its course. I liked TUF1, TUF2, and I am finding TUF4 to be interesting -- outside of the house. It made me mad that Jeremy Jackson was booted off the show because he left the house to get laid, if that is even true. I find that I believe only about 25% of the BS that happens outside of the training and fighting. It is STUPID to eliminate a fighter in a tournament for something (non-criminal) that happens outside of the octagon. I have always liked Jeremy Jackson, and he was one of my top picks in this season. If it were not for Shonie and Matt Serra, I might have stopped watching this season.

I say that you are right, Crash. Most of each episode is NOT for me anymore. I even get bored with the BS and fastforward to the fights sometimes (as I have DVR and record the shows). I would rather that they run only the fights and show training sessions (as with All Access: Tito Ortiz). I want them to focus on the schools of MMA. It would have been nice to have seen Greg Jackson's Gaidojutsu training sessions with Sánchez and Jardine, or Ed Herman training with Team Quest, or Luke Cummo training with Matt Serra or Gracie Barra. THAT is what I want to see. It would be awsome to have fighters from Chute Boxe or Top Team (Brasil) and show what those schools are like.

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RickySickle

Thanks to some idiot on those sherdog forums I already know who's going to be in the finals so I guess that part of uncertainty is gone

Grave

Jeremy jackson DESERVED to get kicked off the show for that. He brought it on himself for being a moron.

angryjonny

Just another reason to not visit Sherdog's forums. The site minus the forums is the best though.

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OneBigThrow

this might be slightly off topic or what not but the internet BoDogFight shows are how i wish tough would be, they give tremendous background on the fighters, training sessions and just showing them being human (aside from the cheesy double agent type thing they do with the show, which is lame lol)

Profane

really. that sucks. i vist Sherdog all the time and i havent seen anyone leak info. i however do see one name get brought up alot when people talk about who's gonna fight Rich/Silva. i'll not say his name just incase people actually know if he wins to the Semi's or not.

either way its not that big a deal for me since the finals is the only fight's i really care that much about and those will be live.

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duke09

for a change, i agree with graves (hey buddy lol)
jeremy jackson, who was poutin because he lived in his car, and he has kids, and blah blah blah, knew fullwell what the rules were. he has some sob story, he has the chance to win 200,000 dollars and become the champ, and he pisses it away for a life guard at the local pool. that doesnt make him a moron, that makes him...well i dont know, but a moron doesnt cut it. the guy got exactly what he had coming!!

Profane

i'd like to see them have TUF show with guys who are versed in one discipline who are thinking about joining MMA. kind of how the old UFC used to be with guys who didnt know everything. then you should do some indeepth training sessions. have reaconizable faces come in and teach these people. you should even have guys who are just athletes. alot like a Pett Spratt maybe a failed football player you know. i think that would appeal to the audeinces because most young men who want to train in MMA have some experience in other forms of fighting so the common person can relate to these fighters. plus then you can see more training from a novice standpoint since these guys wouldnt be like someone trying to teach Matt Serra how to get a fight to the ground. i dunno i have alot of formats which i want to see for a more successful show.

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Profane

yeah he got excatly what i think he should have gotten. however he is a good fighter and i hope he gets another chance in the UFC. i'd like to see how he reacts to some success after all this embarassment.

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Rocky12233

I am not into this yr as I was the past seasons......like someone said earlier...im more into the fresh meat rather then the old school fighters.....I watch it every week but I dont look forward to it like I have in the past...

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subgenius

Yes, he did. That is not what I meant. They have that stupid house, and that stupid rule. It is just stupid. But, Jackson signed a contract and he broke it. However, he was not defeated on the show. He was eliminated from the tournament for a stupid Reality TV show drama queen BS part of the show. And, I am still of the belief that all of that was just set up as show and not really a real incident. Jackson had said from the beginning that he was not ready and that he was out of shape. IMO, they used that for Reality TV show nonsense.

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duke09

i dont understand......are you suggesting that its not "real"??? let me guess, next your gonna say that santa, the easter bunny, and rocky balboa arent real either...get a grip lol
i think the title of "reality" show is insulting to the world at large. i dont think anyone expects to be totally genuine and "real" so quite lying to us.

also, someone here said earlier in this thread that they should have differing fighters or athletes. i think that is an awesome idea. i would love to see some no name guys who are hungry for a shot WITH NO BACKGROUND IN MMA given the chance to pursue the sport.

seeing experienced guys on here pisses me off to no end. like sort fight herman who trains with RANDY FRIKIN COUTURE!! randy is, hands down, one of teh best fighters and gentleman and ambassadors to this sport the world has ever seen. putting guys from his camp on the show seems unfair. training with quest alread gives a guy a huge advantage in breaking into the mma world. why not give the guys with NO help a chance. having "camp" guys from quest, MFS, and other grouops makes this show and premise an amateur fight club. i thought it was supposed to give guys with no help a chance to break into the sport.

cdub

ya i hate tuf show. why would you wanna watch a bunch of washups try to make it back. id watch it if it had some up and comers. nothings exciting about old ppl lol

Grave

I agree somewhat. And on top of that: Most of these are old people who still hav'ent learned from their original mistakes!

Again i use the Pete Spratt example. Spratt is pissed that he keeps losing? Then try developing an actual ground game then for ****s sake!!

Pete Sprat: "Duh nope, i'm just gonna focuse on purely takedown defense and pray my opponent can't get me down. I know what i'm doing, afterall this gameplan is what led me to hold a championship belt to begin wi...wait a sec...."

Yeah Mr.Spratt....you keep hoping you'll somehow develope a magical defense that makes you immune to takedowns. Good luck Pfffft....

spiritofbattle

the only thing that is bad about TUF 4 is there is a bunch of has beens on now. it was much more interestig with the young rookies in the house.

none of these guys stand a chance at getting the belt, kind of a pointless run for the money.

Jasp

First of all, if the TUF show sucks so much why are you all watching it... you can switch to something else you know...imo its not perfect but its better then nothing.
next, the comeback theme of TUF4, agree its not that exciting and yes the one who wins will take the beating of a lifetime trying to take the belt. But i think its good they try different things. Now they know that the young gun concept worked better.
So hopefully they have learned from their mistakes and the TUF5 season will be great.

RockemSockem

Le sigh, the worst decision the UFC ever made was advertising these season of TUF as fighters "fighting for one last shot at the title". A lot of these guys have a long time before they hit that wall. This might be their "last shot at the title" because of what it takes to get to that point. Stringing together a series of wins over UFC class opponents is very difficult, and does not come without a bit of luck. That does not in any way shape or form make them has-beens.

Charles McCarthy-25
Din Thomas-29
Patrick Cote-26
Jeremy Jackson-23
Pete Sell-27
Edwin Dewees-23
Scott Smith- 27
That's almost half the TUF cast that's under 30 years old. That is more than 10 years, could be 20 years left in the fight game for some of these guys. The oldest person is Pete Spratt, who is 35. There are a few of these guys who this was most likely their final shot. Because they either don't have the drive, free time, or time in general left to round out their game, climb the ranks, get the title, and defend it. But for these guys, the only reason they aren't up-and-comers like the first 3 seasons is because....THEY ALREADY MADE IT. And how you can be considered a "has-been" at under 30/low 30s is beyond me. I think it was a great decision by the UFC. Three seasons woth of TUF has gained a lot of recognition for up-and-comers. A lot of TUF 4 were just under the radar for mainstream UFC fans. Even if you aren't an avid fan, you can learn who Yves Ewdards and Karo Parisyan are by watching Unleashed. A lot of these guys are great fighters who deserve to be in the public eye, but you've probably only seen them on the receiving end of a highlight reel. I'm really glad that season is composed mostly of guys who are veterans, got thrown to the wolves, or got screwed. But you obviously can't market it as that. Which is where everything went bad.

One of the reasons i think this season has been so good, is it's done a good job of portraying the intangibles. You can see why some of these guys didn't, or haven't made it. Some of these guys have gotten the biggest screw jobs in UFC history. I've loved retracing all the fighter's histories and listening to their commentary about it.

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Bomber

Good post Rockem. I'm sick of people calling these guys chumps. They're quality fighters who didn't get the opportunity to build up their skills like the TUF grads. They deserve another chance and the UFC needs them to have that chance.

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MuStAnG12687

I personally like it better with new fighters than washed up scrubs who have no shot at the title shots the winners get...don't get me wrong I like Matt Serra...but I think his frames is best suited for lightweight...I like to see new fighters...see how they act and make my judgments on whether I like them as people as well as fighters...that’s how I became a Forest fan in season one...with new fighters, its almost as if you are experiencing the glory with them when they succeed because you see how they started and how they finished...you were their from the beginning...this can make fans more loyal...so I definitely like TUF better with totally new fighters that I never have seen before.