Best fighter ever?

SmashingMachine · 03-20-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SeikanJudanski

Van Damme is probably the better actor, but Segal is the better fighter.. whoever made that post about Segal being fat and Van Damme being a kickboxer so what? Segal is like a 7th degree master in Aikido. It´s ridiculous to compare a master in Aikido who wouldn´t let Van Damme even touch him without breaking his arms first, to some Ballerina who won a few Kickbox tournaments.

However he is a terrible actor and needs to cool it, trying to play the master of masters in his movies.. the last one called "Today you Die" was pathetic.. Segal tried to play like he is from the hood, talking like a gangsta from the hood and acting like a rapper.. it was hilarious.

Van Damme on the other side has made some classics like Bloodsport.. high on his cocaine addiction he made "Knock off" which was actually one of his better movies.. but has never really shown any screen talent himself either. Bloodsport remains a classic though and "The Quest" was also not bad.

Bloodsport is a classic. I also liked his LionHeart movie a lot too.

Gygax · 03-21-2006, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mepersoner

You guys are overestimating Aikido, it's near worthless in real situations.

Secondly, Zito did not KO Van Damme, he floored him, big difference - and he suckerpunched a drunk Van Damme while the guy was taking off his glasses. Then you include the size difference, the fact Zito was an amatuer boxer, and a blackbelt in karate and you understand why it's not really proof for anything. Getting suckerpunched while drunk by someone who can throw... and you're going to get knocked down or out.

A drunk Van Damme? So you've been reading his press releases on the situation, have you? From people inside Scores, Van Damme is the one who challenged Zito inside the club. When Zito said we'd better take it outside since he's a regular there, Van Damme accepted. And there was nothing sucker about the punch. I've heard that straight from bouncers who were there that night, I was a regular there for a while as well. So the amateur boxer/karate blackbelt/bodyguard/actor kicked the crap out of Van Damme plain and simple. Van Damme is an actor first foremost and not that great of a fighter. What's his excuse for ducking Don Wilson's $100,000 challenge?

SeikanJudanski · 03-21-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mepersoner

You guys are overestimating Aikido, it's near worthless in real situations.

haha..ok, whatever. I didn´t know I´m talking to somebody who has absolutely no clue what he is talking about, my bad.. go ahead and continue with your thread.

angryjonny · 03-21-2006, 11:23 AM

There is 3 sides to every story and unless you were actually there and witnessed it you aren't going to get the complete truth from Zito or Van Damme. It's hard to go off of he said/he said scenarios and believe any of it.

Kentified · 03-21-2006, 04:13 PM

If we're going off Hollywood martial artists it would have to be the late great Bruce Lee.

(Come on, you knew someone was gonna say it

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MMA80 · 03-23-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

best EVER??? fedor has more work to do.... longevity is key, guys like tyson dominated for years and years... royce pioneered the sport. beyond them id look at fedor and hughes... they also need a main rival, like ali frazier to push them to greatness.... i believe hughes will have gsp and even penn for that matter.

FEDOR is the BEST EVER ofcourse! He has strikes, ground, power and endurance. Not to mention heart. He's a true champion that let's his fist do the talking. He's fought the toughest apponents on this earth. That's why he's champion. Tyson only dominated in BOXING. You DON'T need a rival to be "greatness." There are no rivals for FEDOR because he dominates ALL. Next to Fedor, it would be Mirko and Big Nog.

MMA80 · 03-23-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ACEfranklin1

i think arlovski is on a streak right now that no one in the ufc will snap (until i see how mir does saturday night) so i believe if theres anyone thats gonna be a good fight it would be a match with fedor and in that case arlovski is the only heavyweight i think could have a chance at beating him right now....

and as for w/e said rich franklin deserves to be mentioned you are correct! Sure im partial because he is my favorite fightebut i dont see anyone beating him in the middleweight class, the crow and leben are probably the top two contenders and neither is well rounded enough to beat him, eventually i would like to see him go back up to light heavyweight to see what he can do!

Arloski has never beaten or fought a top heavyweight. Like I said before, UFC heavyweights are NOT ready for PRIDE heavyweights. If he ever comes to PRIDE, he should fight FUJITA first. Then work his way up. He will tap out against Yoshida tough.

MMA80 · 03-23-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashingMachine

I think AA would make for a good fight, but I just don't see him beating Fedor. Look at Fedor's victim list and then compare it to AA's victim list. Fedor's is full of legends and AA's is full of "who's that?"

Amen Brotha!!!

thecreewarrior · 04-08-2006, 12:58 AM

the best fighter EVER in my opinion is probably Mahabid Ali, Royce Gracie or Bruce Lee. Many have stated that Bruce Lee is the fathur of mixed martail arts,
bruce lee accomplished MUCH more then any of the gracies in MMA, he practicly designed MMA b4 anyone even thought of it. if you read about bruce's JKD philosophy it has SOOO much incommon with MMA you would think he copied off it.

And whoever said segal is fat you got another thing comin. A true aikido master like steven segeal can shutdown a striker(not all some are to fast to stop). In aikido its really your oponents striking speed against the aikidokai's reflexes. If an Aikidokai is able to manage to trap/catch ur strike then your toast(trust me ive been there). So in a fight between segal and vandamme segal would for sure waiste his ass.
Though MANY aikido gyms in the states are fake!!:sport-smi

SmashingMachine · 04-08-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thecreewarrior

the best fighter EVER in my opinion is probably Mahabid Ali, Royce Gracie or Bruce Lee.

I might go along with Bruce. Personally, I think it's Fedor. Ali was probably the best boxer ever, and Royce one of the best BJJ guys, but as far as a well rounded fighter goes they are too skilled in one area and not enough in the other areas. Any well rounded MMA fighter could beat any boxer (strictly boxing...no other training and comparitive in body weights).

SeikanJudanski · 04-08-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thecreewarrior

the best fighter EVER in my opinion is probably Mahabid Ali, Royce Gracie or Bruce Lee. Many have stated that Bruce Lee is the fathur of mixed martail arts,
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Who is Mahabid Ali? I think you mean Muhammad Ali.

thecreewarrior · 04-08-2006, 10:43 PM

whats diference between muhubid,mahabid or muhhuma ali? all sound the same
besides his name isnt spelled the way it sounds lol

RussianBear · 04-09-2006, 01:54 AM

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At the moment Horn and Marquart are the two serious contenders after the crow for Rich. Leben has some work to do. He has good hands but rich has better and even with his jaw a puch like rich did to nate will put him right on the ground.

Horn is soooooo overated..I remember back in the day when he just got started..can't believe he's still around. He's undersized and 1-dimensional...

RussianBear · 04-09-2006, 02:04 AM

I was heavy into UFC when it it first started, then due to their legal problems I lost track when they left the states, and am now just getting back into it...So my picks are kind of old school...My favorite UFC fighters...

Kimo (he faded but I thought he was closest ever to beating Gracie, with the new rules the hair pulling would not have been a factor)
Royce Gracie (legend of course)
Don Frye (old school)
Oleg Taktarov (lost to Big Daddy inexplicably)
Vitor Belfort (first UFC guy with sick handspeed)
Randy Cotoure

Best fight: Taktarov/Abbot
Frye/Abbot

Told ya I was goin old school

Eraser2K1NIN · 04-09-2006, 03:58 AM

No doubt right now Fedor. I'd like to see him fight Lennox Lewis don't know why but I'd love to see him knock him down & GNP

SeikanJudanski · 04-09-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by thecreewarrior

whats diference between muhubid,mahabid or muhhuma ali? all sound the same
besides his name isnt spelled the way it sounds lol

Listen, let me educate you for a second.

Muhammad means "the praised one".. and is written the way it sounds. MU-HA-MAD. There is not much you can do wrong there. I don´t see where you get muhubid,mahabid or muhhuma from. Your adding B´s and dropping D´s and M´s.

I´m just telling you how it is spelled.. you can "lol" your way out of it, but your still wrong..it´s written the way it sounds.

I´m preety sure if somebody´s name was Diamond, he wouldn´t like it when you spell it Dyemon either right?

Georges St. Pierre · 04-09-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by [Danny]

I don't know who to pick, but I think in his prime, Bas Rutten was the freaking man. Who do you guys think should be labeled that?

time will tell, in regards to being the "best" but the most **skilled** fighter at the moment is g st. pierre.

he has a higher level of skill in more disciplines then any fighter alive...

does that make him the "best"?...dont know...but skill wise, he truly is second to none.

pierre

Georges St. Pierre · 04-09-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by thecreewarrior

So in a fight between segal and vandamme segal would for sure waiste his ass.

only in theory...and heres why.. a master striker will beat an average defender any day of the week... you're also assuming that vandamme has no D..

props to segal and his aikido but he would be worn down by claudes tai kicks to his back upper leg, his knees when they're up tight, his elbows and the occational kick to the head...not to mention that he will in all liklihood be in better physical condition with infinately more stamina..

but lets give credit where credit is due...IF claude ran at segal like a drunken line-backer yelling like a middle aged japanese women on meth not wanting to BE ELIMINATED..im sure segal could side step and slap him on the back of the head for being so knappy..

pierre

SmashingMachine · 04-09-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Georges St. Pierre

time will tell, in regards to being the "best" but the most **skilled** fighter at the moment is g st. pierre.

he has a higher level of skill in more disciplines then any fighter alive...

does that make him the "best"?...dont know...but skill wise, he truly is second to none.

pierre

Truly he is second to a few.

Georges St. Pierre · 04-09-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashingMachine

Truly he is second to a few.

Well constructed argument SmashingMachine. I like the part where you made a statement but backed it up with nothing. Guess that speaks to the validity of your, ahem, claim.

Pierre