UFC vs. Boxing vs. Kickboxing vs. ....

Bull · 08-17-2006, 10:28 AM

When reading particular messages on the internet regarding fantasy match-ups like a certain Boxer against an Ultimate Fighter, very often people say the boxer would not know how to use his legs and how to defend againast particular attacks, etc.

Please, guys, do not forget where fighters are coming from ..... mostly from the ghetto : they know how to fight, maybe didn't learn it in the gym but on the streets.

Thanks for your time.

Nimmy · 08-17-2006, 10:33 AM

yes but there is a difference in knowing MMA and knowing how to fight... a good street fighter isnt necessarily a good boxer. therefore isnt an MMa fighter.

Crashsti · 08-17-2006, 01:29 PM

saying that a boxer with a street fighting background has what it takes to compete with a pure MMA fighter is a bit of a stretch. pick any boxer with a history of streetfighting and put him in the cage with a trained mixed martial artist and the fight is over unless the boxer can get a quick KO he is going to be taken down and submitted or pounded on. street fighting does'nt prepare you for the technical onslaught that comes from a trained fighter who is skilled in both stand-up and groundfighting. to be honest Bull, i am surprised that you made this post. it seems like a last ditch effort to defend a boxer against a more well rounded fighter. the truth is that boxing and MMA are two vastly differant sports and can't directly be compared and therefore even fantasy matches between say, Tyson and Jeff Monson are little more than opinion based.

Bull · 08-18-2006, 03:59 AM

I am not trying to defend boxers or something like that. But think about guys like Mitch "Blood" Green who was leader of the biggest gang in New York in the 80s or McLean who fought for the Mafia, if I am informed correctly.

Nimmy · 08-18-2006, 05:56 AM

yes these guys can fight but there is a major difference in professional MMA fighting and violence i.e uncontrolled street fighting. these guys use all tools of the trade in fighting and i would bet they nothing of leg locks etc..

Crashsti · 08-18-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bull

I am not trying to defend boxers or something like that. But think about guys like Mitch "Blood" Green who was leader of the biggest gang in New York in the 80s or McLean who fought for the Mafia, if I am informed correctly.

there is a differance between a person's ability to commit acts of violence and being able to compete in a sporting event. i don't see how the two can be related. people who train in MMA, kickboxing or Boxing are considered athletes these days. some fighters do still comes from shady backgrounds but its not to commit acts of aggression. more often than not its an attempt to escape "the ghetto" as you put it. fighters that do enter the sport simply to hurt people or satisfy their need for violence usually don't make it very far. they lack the interpersonal skills to find training partners and the mental discipline to train day after day after day.

Kentified · 08-18-2006, 04:34 PM

And most of the "ghetto" street fighters I've seen they don't use their legs anyways, it's all charge, fists, ground and pound.

Harms · 08-20-2006, 12:34 AM

We all saw what happens to people who are not trained on any submission defense. Rent the first few UFC's. There was a reason Royce ran through most of the non MMA trained fighters. He and probably most current MMA fighters would have done it to most "street fighters" too.

LastExit34 · 08-20-2006, 12:48 AM

I'm not a fan of trying to compare or debate fantasy match ups of different combat sports, especially the boxing vs mma debate. All to often I see people always rely on the "put a boxer in a cage and he will get beat" argument. It just doesn't make any sense to me. It's just as logical to say "put a mma fighter in a boxing ring and he will get beat." The sports, while similar in some respects, are very very different.

Kentified · 08-20-2006, 04:35 PM

I agree that if you stick most boxers in a cage they'll get beat and if you stick most MMA fighters in a boxing ring they'll get beat BUT there are a select few who I think would have a chance in both sports.

But (correct me if I'm wrong Bull) he was referring to basically a street fight between the two,no rules, no holds barred fighting and if thats the case then I would give it 95% of the time to the MMA fighter because they're more well rounded.

Curly · 08-20-2006, 08:08 PM

Being good with your fists is only a small part of what it takes to be a good MMA fighter. Many of the good boxers have been from the tough streets but they don’t have the skills to compete with a well-rounded MMA fighter. The proof is in the pudding-- boxers get their butts kicked in the MMA arena.

LEGHORN · 08-27-2006, 01:29 PM

The one thing that got me hooked on MMA competition is the fact that it is the one sport that is closest to street survival. Sure, there are regulations that separate street fighting from MMA. To my knowledge, "dirty" street fighting tricks such as "eye gouging" is not allowed in the octagon. With that in mind, regulations do have an impact on what fighters knows and where they get their experience. I have to agree with Kentified that being well rounded certainly has its advantages in no holds barred fighting. Harms had a point saying Royce ran through most non-trained MMA fighters. Early UFC fighters were either specialized in an art, experienced street fighters, or both. The first dozen UFCs demostrated the significance in being a well rounded fighter.

ThaiClinchER · 08-29-2006, 07:02 PM

It always comes down to trained or untrained. And conditioning. If a well trained MMA professional fought a well trained boxing professional, unless YOU ABSOLUTELY guarantee the boxer will KO the MMA guy straight up, the MMA guy would win.

How do I know this?

The TAKEDOWN! Boxers know nothing about takedowns, takedown defenses, any smart MMA guy wouldnt even attempt to stand toe to toe with a boxer, epscially pro. He's simply going to put that boxer on his back and pound the crap out of him from on top. End of fight! That's reality 101!

w0264007 · 08-29-2006, 11:47 PM

The level of training these guys get, even the undisciplined ones is sick. I feel sorry for some pro fighters because they spend more time each day in training than I do at my job.

I would think that nearly all top 10 MMA fighters and boxers would lose to their opposite in the other if they were competing on the other's turf. I"m sure a great boxer has what it takes to be a good MMA fighter, and vise versa, but the boxer's specialization, and the MMA fighter's lack of specialization is unavoidable.

I love boxing, and think someone with a year's training in boxing beats a guy with equal skill and talent in Muay Thai hands down, except in the clinch. I also think a boxer who can sprawl would give a wrestler who can punch a hard time, but a wrestler who can slip punches and shoot to counter is a very dangerous thing.

w0264007 · 08-29-2006, 11:52 PM

Hmm...in retrospect, I think what the first UFC taught everyone who watched is that a fight isn't what they show in the movies. I thought from watching Bruce Lee and playing Mortal Kombat that a fight was punches and kicks and that a 5'10 karate black belt would destroy a 6'4 NCAA wrestler. Boy, was I wrong! Street Fighter 2 lied to me!

I also learned that because a punch can break boards, it doesn't mean it is going to stop someone. Also, that Sumo wrestling is not very effective in a NHB fight.

ThaiClinchER · 08-30-2006, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by w0264007

Hmm...in retrospect, I think what the first UFC taught everyone who watched is that a fight isn't what they show in the movies. I thought from watching Bruce Lee and playing Mortal Kombat that a fight was punches and kicks and that a 5'10 karate black belt would destroy a 6'4 NCAA wrestler. Boy, was I wrong! Street Fighter 2 lied to me!

I also learned that because a punch can break boards, it doesn't mean it is going to stop someone. Also, that Sumo wrestling is not very effective in a NHB fight.

Absolutely! God if you could bottle what you just said, and made people believe it???

YOUD and ID BE a BILLIONAIRE!!!

FOr some reason, people still buy in to the "Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting" days!

comucazi · 08-31-2006, 01:10 AM

i boxed and my cousin wrestled and we decided one day to have an all out fight. i kept him at reach for a while and managed a couple sprawls but eventually he got past my defense and i went down quick. he doesn't have any mma training so all he could really do was try to pin me but the fact of the matter was that once he got inside my jab it was done