AllAboutTheGame

wwe not going anywhere soon? are you blind???
look at the music records and their new movies....
and a lot more movies to come...
it is so going somewhere...

Jras0001

You obviously missed the meaning. If I had some crayolas, Id draw you a pretty picture that would appeal to you a bit better than text. I meant that they werent going anywhere, as in going away, bye-bye, finished, bankrupt....ect. The WWe is a large company and has a huge fan base. As I said before, now stick with me here, the WWE isnt going anywhere soon. They should stick to what they are doing and what they do best. No matter how large MMA gets, I dont think it will take away the WWE fans because they can coexist easily. This is because the MMA and the WWE are different enough to have their own niche in the entertainment industry. Boxing on the other hand might feel the pressure from MMA. I hope this isnt too blunt for you and youre able to follow it ok.

Jras0001

I agree. I also think McMahon's venture into Pro-Football probably has left a bitter taste in his mouth. If they invested heavily in an existing organization, they would stand to make just as much money almost than if they opened up a new one or purchased one.

subgenius

The XFL was an adventure into unknown territory for McMahon. I thought that he had a better chance with the WBF (World Bodybuilding Federation). You know, since pro-wrestlers are very concerned with bodybuilding, I would have thought that would be an area that the WWE could thrive in. Maybe it was a perception of faked outcomes, I don't know.

In an MMA promotion, however, I think that the end product is similar enough to pro-wrestling promotional marketing that the WWE powerman McMahon might do well. But, like I said, I do not think that McMahon is interested that much in an MMA promotion. If he did buy an MMA promotion, then I doubt that we would know about it until years afterward.

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Jras0001

Most likely. He would want to avoid any chances that people would think the fights were rigged or pre-determined in any way. After the venture got up and running and had some sort of credibility of its own, then he might come out and say that they owned it.

MuStAnG12687

I personally think WWE and other organizations like it are a complete joke...it’s just a soap opera for men...

Nimmy

nothing wrong with that, what ever floats your boat

subgenius

Is anyone here familiar with Somoa Joe or CM Punk over in the TNA Impact and ECW (respectively) pro-wrestling promotions? Both of them use MMA style fighting in their matches. CM Punk more than Somoa Joe, although Joe likes to use the RNC.

Punk does that wrist wrangling thing that Wanderlei is well known for just before matches. I have also seen Punk use triangle chokes, anacondas, and the kimura (chicken wing) lock as well as a few armbars. Punk also uses closed fisted punching with heavily taped hands as well as kicks to the head. I am not saying that Punk could compete in MMA, but he does clearly display MMA training. Punk and Somoa Joe had a historic fued, and those matches looked a lot like MMA matches.

As a side note, the fans in ECW (a very fickle and informed bunch) have taken to the MMA style that Punk uses. These fans have openly rejected the new ECW image and most of the ECW wrestlers, but they loudly cheer CM Punk as the most favored pro-wrestler for the ECW brand. Somao Joe also shares that level of fan acceptance over in TNA. That is why TNA is now matching Somoa Joe up against the Olympic wrestler Kurt Angle.

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Nimmy

yep they always comment on punks MMa background, has angle moved to TNA?

subgenius

Yeah, the WWE has a policy about addiction to painkillers. Angle has suffered a few broken necks in his seven years in pro-wrestling. TNA picked up Angles' contract when the WWE released Angle back in August. Now, Kurt Angle is on TNA Impact. He made two appearances in the last few weeks. He was a special guest referee at the Bound For Glory TNA PPV last weekend. Angle attacked Somao Joe after Joe's match at the PPV and bloddied Joe up pretty good.

Last night on TNA Impact Angle was out talking when Joe stormed the ring and they went at it. It took like ten or fifteen guys to keep them apart. It will be an awesome fued between them. I think that TNA is a better place for Kurt Angle because TNA likes to let the pro-wrestlers develop their own character and they have a lot more power over their own story lines.

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Nimmy

imnot sure if we have uptodate TNA, iv watched it a few times seems like the only event outisde WWE. is somoa joe still undefeated?

i like how christian cage and jeff jarret have reinvented themselves as champs when in the WWE they were average stars

subgenius

I like TNA because it will keep WWE honest, so to speak. TNA is owned and operated by people like Jeff Jerret and his father Jerry Jerret. They founded TNA in 2002 as part of the NWA with most of the former WCW crew and pro-wrestling talent. That is a big part of why Jeff Jerret has held the NWA World HW Title so many times. Although, I think that Jeff Jerret has been a good champion for TNA. In 2004, TNA broke away from the NWA, but retained the right to keep the NWA World titles.

TNA has some huge financial backing. Such as Panda Energy International, which is a company that builds environmentally safe power plants and rakes in like $250-$500 million in US dollars every year as net worth. They have tossed a lot of money into entertainment companies. This is the type of open-minded and IMO intelligent companies that the UFC needs to be talking to about financing the talent roster of the UFC. With that type of power (sorry for the pun) the UFC could get PRIDE Fighting style contracts going for talent.

Samoa Joe is among the best new pro-wrestling talents to arrive in a very long time. He is a dominant force, and (yes) he is still unbeaten. At the last PPV last weekend, Samoa Joe defeated Raven, Abyss, and Spike Dudley in a four-way match.

Interestingly enough, Somoa Joe is a prodigy of Antonio Inoki and the New Japan Pro-Wrestling dojo that Inoki owns in California. Inoki trains MMA fighters, like Lyoto "Ryoto" Machida -- the only person to defeat Rich Franklin besides Anderson Silva. Ryoto also defeated BJ Penn.

Samoa Joe started out in the Ring of Honor pro-wrestling promotion, which is where he earned his status as being great. That is why he is now undefeated in TNA. Also, Ring of Honor is where Samoa Joe fueded with CM Punk. I think that CM Punk is among a few pro-wrestlers that have a win over Samoa Joe. I think Joe had three losses in Ring of Honor.

Jeff Jerret was the champ because his family owned the company, as I stated above. I like Jerret, but I also like to see him get beat. As for Christian Cage, he is a good pro-wrestler, but I agree with you about him. I think that he should not be granted titles. However, I think that TNA agreed as well, because they stripped Cage of the title and have refused to grant him a rematch. The title went back to Jerret. But, Jerret just lost the title to Sting at Bound for Glory last weekend.

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Jenkins83

I'm a long time WWE fan, but I'm starting to like TNA more then WWE. TNA is more about the wrestling and less about the soap-opera like storylines that plauges the WWE. I mean a little is okay, I know you need to build storylines to make it more interesting, but there is just way too much nonsense in the WWE these days. Having friggin K-Fed making appearences on WWE is the final straw for me. In my opinion the WWE was at it's best during the Attitude era (1998-2002).

MFS fan

The Attitude Era was great. If Vince didn't screw Austin over and the Rock was still around the fanbase would still be huge. Bringing D-X back was a good move for them but the K-Fed storyline is a bunch of crap.

But as a stockholder of WWE I don't mind what they do as long as a get my dividend check every month.

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sitnspin

With the main difference being that "Punk" is only pretending to punch and kick his opponents. You get that, right?

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subgenius

Have you watched? Sometimes they do really connect for effect. Sometimes they really do hurt each other. Some stuff cannot be faked becuase people cannot defy the laws of physics in a pro-wrestling ring. You're just trying to make a big deal out of the scripted and choreographed nature of pro-wrestling. You should watch it before you criticize it, but I guess that would be too much to expect.

It is a circus. It is all based on suspension of disbelief. It is entertainment. It is a pseudo-sport. We get it, we got it. All right?

All I was pointing out in my comment, and most true pro-wrestling fans would get the difference, is that rather than using a heel-punch (with the palm of the hand) CM Punk uses his closed fist to simulate punches with his closed fist. He also leg kicks and head kicks for effect. He uses the same method of kicks that we see in MMA. Yes, it is faked, but the effect that CM Punk is going for is an MMA-style.

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sitnspin

I was a devoted watcher of pro wrestling for nearly ten years, and in that time I was as obsessive as I am about MMA now. I watched old tapes, I read countless back issues of PWI. I was a walking encyclopedia of pro wrestling facts and info, much of which I've retained to this day, even though I can't watch more than five minutes of WWE or TNA without getting bored and changing the channel. But believe me when I say that when it comes to pro wrestling, I'm not talking about a subject I don't know anything about.

The only time people are actually getting hurt or injured is when something goes wrong, and the guys who work too stiff don't last long because no one wants to work with them. I've got you figured out, Subgenius -- you're one of those fans who will vaguely acknowledge the fakeness of it, but when it comes right down to it, you're all about "the laws of physics" and injuries that have been sustained in the ring. You don't want to believe they're only pretending to fight, and when pressed, you'll maneuver around having to admit it.

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rugger

...and the same lifespan when McMahon tried to start a new bodybuilding organization to compete with Weider's IFBB...us old timers might remember the WBF - World Bodybuilding Federation. I think it lasted 2 very lackluster years. That abruptly ended when McMahon was under investigation for streoid distribution - he required all of his pro bodybuilders complete clean - was the worst show ever in 92 and big Lou Ferrigno, their biggest player dumped his contract with the news of a clean show. BBing fans did not care for the 'characters' that were built on the existing pro BBers that defected from Weider either, it was not taken seriously at all. I think the similar would happen if WWE got into MMA.

rugger

Didn't see this when I posted about the WBF...I was a competing BBer back then, so I am very familar with this venture. It was doomed from the start - there was plenty of talent, some of the IFBB's top athletes went to it - Gaspari, Demey, Strydom, Baker, even Ferrigno came out of retirement and looked better than anyone could imagine. But then McMahon went against his word and create "charcters" for the BBers, the stage became a scene and then under investigation he required that his BBers go completely clean and that ruin it for the WBF.

subgenius

You are too obsessed with "fake" and all that. I am just saying that it being fake is irrelevent. Yes, they do get hurt when stuff goes wrong. But, sometimes getting hurt is part of the planned event. It is all about the suspension of disbelief. So, who cares whether we want to feel like it is well-choreographed or fake? That has not been the point in pro-wrestling for like fifty years or so now.

When Senshi does his move where he jumps off of the top ropes and lands on top of his opponent feet-first on the guys chest, then that will hurt. It has been done. It is not always an injury, but it hurts. A 200+ man cannot fall five or six feet onto a prone man of equal size and there be no real impact. That is what I meant by laws of physics. By the way, Andre the Giant used to a similar move and he weighed in at like 500 pounds. It is hard for him to step on a man and put both feet on his chest without someone feeling some pain. The man was huge.

The list of highly realist moves and events that have been out there is pretty long. Jeff Hardy had his head bounced off a steel ring post by a baseball slide move from his opponent. That was a very well-acted out stunt because his head literally hit the post. They replayed it a lot, even in slow motion. Other stuff is not so well-planned, like when Hardcore Bob Holly ended up with a 15" gash across his back that needed like 30 stitches. He bled for another ten minutes in the ring and continued the match with blood gushing out of his back. And, that was on national TV.

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