Poll: MMA vs Pro Wrestling

subgenius · 10-25-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MuStAnG12687

Ha!, if a person reading this had to choose which of us was upset, I believe the answer is you. I'm not upset, just stating merely facts and opinions...the choices are fine and I don't need to reiterate a thousand reasons why because you don’t get it...I don't like "pro wrestling" and I listed plenty of reasons why...If you choose not to read/misread them...that’s fine with me.

I am not upset. I can discuss all of this without saying that fans of pro-wrestling are of any sexual or gender persuasions. You did that, not me. That reflects on your own self-contempt and self-loathing because of how pro-wrestling makes you feel. You do not know me and likely have never met most anyone on these forums. What you said was wrong and not fact based at all. Your "reasons" are just BS. You don't watch it, and that is clear from what you said. So, without that, you seem to be commenting on yourself. Not me or anyone else that does watch pro-wrestling.

PS: Pro-wrestling has plenty of females strutting around like strippers and even has a self-proclaimed female exhibitionist on one of the promotions. That is hardly iffeminate as you put it.

LB4LB · 10-25-2006, 03:03 PM

Wrestling (WWE style) is ridiculous. When I was a kid and thought is was real I liked, but now as an adult, give me a break. Who in the world can't see those punches coming? It's fake! I give the wrestlers credit in their athletic ability, but that's it.

It's utter nonsense and simply childish.

subgenius · 10-25-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LB4LB

Wrestling (WWE style) is ridiculous. When I was a kid and thought is was real I liked, but now as an adult, give me a break. Who in the world can't see those punches coming? It's fake! I give the wrestlers credit in their athletic ability, but that's it.

It's utter nonsense and simply childish.

/sarcasm on

OMG, Nooooooooo! You're telling me that pro-wrestling is FAKE? That cannot be true. That has to be a lie. Pro-wrestling cannot be FAKE! No. No. No. The world is going to end. The sky is falling. Say it ain't so! You lie. I tell you that you are speaking falsely. Pro-wrestling fake? It cannot be fake. It has to be real. I tell you again that it has to be real. The world will end, if it is not real. You say it's real right now and save us all!

/sarcasm off

Bomber · 10-25-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

23:16 is NOT a majority that is respectable. You skewed the poll to make it seem like it was 23:8 and that is false.

23 to 16 is not a majority? WTH are you talking about? Even 17 to 16 is a majority. I don't know why you can't understand that the OK choice means no strong feelings, but frankly I don't care how you interpret it. It's clear that a MAJORITY of fans who voted in this poll hate pro wrestling. So if you keep saying that the majority of MMA fans follow wrestling, which is something you've said here in the past, then you're just running your mouth.

Jenkins83 · 10-26-2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

23 to 16 is not a majority? WTH are you talking about? Even 17 to 16 is a majority. I don't know why you can't understand that the OK choice means no strong feelings, but frankly I don't care how you interpret it. It's clear that a MAJORITY of fans who voted in this poll hate pro wrestling. So if you keep saying that the majority of MMA fans follow wrestling, which is something you've said here in the past, then you're just running your mouth.

23 to 16 may be a majority, but it is certainly not a significant majority. The poll shows that almost half of the MMA fans that voted in this poll at least occasionally watch pro-wrestling. I'd say that's a pretty big number. So with these results from your poll, we can now officially say that a significant amount of MMA fans who voted in this poll also watch pro-wrestling.

I also got to point out again that you can't really use this poll as any kind of accurate measurement for the overall scope of things because so few people voted in comparison to the size of the audience in question. When you are talking about an audience of millions of people, you need thousands of votes to get any kind of accurate percentages. Only 50 or so people voted in this poll. That's no where near enough to be able to generate accurate numbers. This poll may accurately reflect what percentage of people here at fightforum watch pro-wrestling, but it doesn't come anywhere close to reflecting what percentage of the millions of MMA fans all over the world watch pro-wrestling. So anyone using this poll as "proof" of anything beyond what percentage of people here at fightforum watch pro-wrestling is fooling themselves.

subgenius · 10-26-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

23 to 16 is not a majority? WTH are you talking about? Even 17 to 16 is a majority. I don't know why you can't understand that the OK choice means no strong feelings, but frankly I don't care how you interpret it. It's clear that a MAJORITY of fans who voted in this poll hate pro wrestling. So if you keep saying that the majority of MMA fans follow wrestling, which is something you've said here in the past, then you're just running your mouth.

Sorry, I meant that 23:8 is not as impressive as a majority as 23:16. That was my bust for not being clear. Still, I think that you knew what I meant. So, yes, you have a slight majority there, and can claim a victory for MMA over pro-wrestling. For whatever that is worth, because the poll itself is flawed and you did not frame it properly to get the correct type of results. You made the poll favor MMA.

And, I never said that a mjority of MMA fans here at these forums were pro-wrestling fans. I said that a majority of the people that I know that watch MMA also watch pro-wrestling. You cannot poll my friends, sorry.

This poll is flawed and inaccurate and you made it to be that way on purpose.

subgenius · 10-26-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenkins83

23 to 16 may be a majority, but it is certainly not a significant majority. The poll shows that almost half of the MMA fans that voted in this poll at least occasionally watch pro-wrestling. I'd say that's a pretty big number. So with these results from your poll, we can now officially say that a significant amount of MMA fans who voted in this poll also watch pro-wrestling.

I also got to point out again that you can't really use this poll as any kind of accurate measurement for the overall scope of things because so few people voted in comparison to the size of the audience in question. When you are talking about an audience of millions of people, you need thousands of votes to get any kind of accurate percentages. Only 50 or so people voted in this poll. That's no where near enough to be able to generate accurate numbers. This poll may accurately reflect what percentage of people here at fightforum watch pro-wrestling, but it doesn't come anywhere close to reflecting what percentage of the millions of MMA fans all over the world watch pro-wrestling. So anyone using this poll as "proof" of anything beyond what percentage of people here at fightforum watch pro-wrestling is fooling themselves.

A poll like this that is conducted with Japanese MMA fans and Japanese pro-wrestling fans would likely alarm most MMA fans in America that hate pro-wrestling.

AikaImmortal · 10-26-2006, 01:42 PM

Because puroresu and american style pro wrestling are very seperate beasts.

Dirty Fighter · 10-26-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

Because puroresu and american style pro wrestling are very seperate beasts.

And Japanese and American fans are very different in their tastes also.

BTW, Sub, the poll is not flawed because you don't like the terminology used. "Wrestling is OK" is fine because there is an understanding that it is used as the selection for indifference. I did not make a selection until that was clarrified and I bet most of the others did the same. Not flaming or trying to ***** an argument out of you but their is a general understanding of the choices given.

subgenius · 10-26-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

Because puroresu and american style pro wrestling are very seperate beasts.

PWI Magazine would disagree with that. Japanese pro-wrestlers are routinely rated right along with American style and Lucha-Libre style Mexican pro-wrestlers. One of the Japanese pro-wrestlers has been rated in the PWI 500 top ten. Many pro-wrestlers from Japan also wrestle in the US and Europe on a regular basis. Maybe I am misubderstanding you, but it seems like you are implying that Japanese pro-wrestling is exclusively Japanese. It is not. They have regular talent from the US and Europe that compete in Japan. Brock Lesner is a recent hightly well known American to wrestle in Japan.

subgenius · 10-26-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Fighter

And Japanese and American fans are very different in their tastes also.

BTW, Sub, the poll is not flawed because you don't like the terminology used. "Wrestling is OK" is fine because there is an understanding that it is used as the selection for indifference. I did not make a selection until that was clarrified and I bet most of the others did the same. Not flaming or trying to ***** an argument out of you but their is a general understanding of the choices given.

Then why no "Wrestling is not OK" option?

I Love wrestling = a fan that watches most (or all) of the time.

Wrestling is OK = a fan that watches sometimes or never.

I hate wrestling = not a fan, never watches enough to know anything.

What would "Wrestling is not okay" mean?

Dirty Fighter · 10-26-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Then why no "Wrestling is not OK" option?

I Love wrestling = a fan that watches most (or all) of the time.

Wrestling is OK = a fan that watches sometimes or never.
I hate wrestling = not a fan, never watches enough to know anything.

What would "Wrestling is not okay" mean?

How can you be fan if you never watch?
I love wrestling = Approval
Wrestling is OK = indifference, as in, I don't like or dislike it.
I hate wrestling = Disapproval

Just my interpretation of the poll.

subgenius · 10-26-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Fighter

How can you be fan if you never watch?
I love wrestling = Approval
Wrestling is OK = indifference, as in, I don't like or dislike it.
I hate wrestling = Disapproval

Just my interpretation of the poll.

I can agree, but saying something is "OK" does not sound like indifference to me. It sounds like that group would still watch pro-wrestling. Maybe this is a minor point, but a minor point can skew (maybe that word is not well understood here) the results of a poll like this. A single positive answe, a single negative answer, and an I don't care either way answer would be better. So, maybe the issue is semantics.

AikaImmortal · 10-26-2006, 03:50 PM

Semi off topic, but subg, have you ever seen any of the japanese pure shoot style promotions as compared to the glitz and glamour style us promotions? There is alot more talent in things like the old Pancrase or the (now defunct) RINGS promotion than in some of the big show less wrestling shows like WWE or HUSTLE HUSTLE and Dragon\'s Gate in Japan.

You might also want to check out youtube look up Minoru Suzuki, has some of his puroresu from NOAH.

I do respect puroresu, don\'t get me wrong.. but I feel it is different than the American style. in puroresu, most fighters dont have a gimmick, there are no heel type storylines, they are covered in mainstream sports sections in many newspapers as well as in specialized magazines.

subgenius · 10-26-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

Semi off topic, but subg, have you ever seen any of the japanese pure shoot style promotions as compared to the glitz and glamour style us promotions? There is alot more talent in things like the old Pancrase or the (now defunct) RINGS promotion than in some of the big show less wrestling shows like WWE or HUSTLE HUSTLE and Dragon\'s Gate in Japan.

You might also want to check out youtube look up Minoru Suzuki, has some of his puroresu from NOAH.

I do respect puroresu, don\'t get me wrong.. but I feel it is different than the American style. in puroresu, most fighters dont have a gimmick, there are no heel type storylines, they are covered in mainstream sports sections in many newspapers as well as in specialized magazines.

Oh, I agree. I mean, I think that Japanese pro-wrestling is superior in quality and character to that of any other pro-wrestling. I wish that it was televised in the US. I also wish that I could get Lucha-Libre from Mexico on a channel outside of the Spanish language channel (so that I can better understand them, lol). I just meant that at least PWI covers the Japanese scene. Other than that I would be having trouble knowing who is who over there.