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02-24-2007, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Heatwaves
205+:
Mirko CroCop vs. Fedor Emelianenko
Tim Sylvia vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
205:
Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva
Quinton Jackson vs. Mauricio Rua
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Anderson Silva vs. Paulo Filho
Rich Franklin (Or Hughes) vs. Dan Henderson
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George St. Pierre vs. Takanori Gomi
Sean Sherk (or perhaps Hughes) vs. Gilbert Melendez
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I'd put Barnett against Sylvia instead.
Uh-oh, Rampage-Shogun... we've seen that already.
GSP could never make 161. No way.
But BJ would beat Gomi again.
Imo PRIDE would definitely get 5 wins. Possibly 6.
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02-24-2007, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Gooner
I'd put Barnett against Sylvia instead.
Uh-oh, Rampage-Shogun... we've seen that already.
GSP could never make 161. No way.
But BJ would beat Gomi again.
Imo PRIDE would definitely get 5 wins. Possibly 6.
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I was thinking that Gomi would come up to 170.
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02-24-2007, 09:59 AM
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It is this kind of ignorant challenge that will keep us from seeing fighters fight in another organizations events. I would rather see a fighter from Pride in every other UFC card and vice versa. That I think would benefit both orgs. tremendously. Then once both orgs. are accustomed to cooperating with each other, we could get a mega event featuring both.
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02-24-2007, 11:59 AM
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This is a smart move by Pride; however, no way that UFC will do it. Prided is in a Win-Win while UFC is at a Win-Lose.
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02-24-2007, 01:04 PM
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I hope it happens but i dont know if it will. If it does i think it will be more than $40 and what if it is on HD!!! $$$
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02-24-2007, 01:18 PM
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I can't see it happening. As stated, Pride has nothing to lose and UFC has everything to lose, and what to win? Your average UFC fan -the type that buys the events and sees them in bars and goes to the live shows to boo at ground work he doesn't understand- thinks guys like Chuck Liddell and Matt Hughes are the greatest fighters alive and don't even know guys like Fedor.
The only way this could benefit the UFC by winning is it would shut up all the Pride nuthuggers, and by taking that 40 million from Pride's organization, it might make it harder for Pride to afford to hold onto their top fighters and Dana White could maybe snatch a few more.
The free publicity that Pride would get outweighs everything the UFC could possibly gain, it would be a bad move on their part and could cost them 40 million dollars.
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02-24-2007, 01:47 PM
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at HWT I think that Tim would beat big Nog (Yes I'm serious, bad match up for Nog) and CroCop has the ability to beat anyone including Fedor, if some of his high kicks would have been on target I think he would have KO'd him in the first fight.
At Light Heavyweight: I'd put Chuck against Shogun, this would probably be the fight of the night. And Tito or Randy (I think Randy would cut down for this oppurtunity) against Silva
At Middle weight: Silva vs. Fihlo- I have no idea who would come out on top. Franklin vs. Henderson- I believe that Franklin would win this one.
At Welterweight: This weight class doesn't exhist in PRIDE so if they put some of their bigger LWTS or smaller MWTS in here against GSP and Hughes (I think that the UFC takes both of these fights)
At LWT: Gomi vs. Penn- I got Penn again. But also might be fight of the night. and Hansen vs. Sherk- Good fight whoever dictates where fight is has advantage.
I think these matchups will favor the UFC and would finally make jap's PRIDE Shutup.
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02-24-2007, 02:22 PM
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Its not going to happen and its just matter of time before the UFC snatchs a couple of more guys from pride.
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02-24-2007, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Heatwaves
Whoops... I forgot to say my initial reaction.
WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW! This would be soooo cool, but I agree that it probably won't happen. I'm surprised that this came out of the mouth of PRIDE, however. This seems like more of a UFC tactic.
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You'd think so, but you'd be wrong.
The UFC claims to have the best fighters, but they never call out PRIDE. PRIDE on the other hand has called out the UFC on more than one occasion.
They are trying to break up the UFC's market, and they are trying to keep afloat, and they DO have many of the best fighters.
Its no longer in the UFC's best interest to make any deals with PRIDE.
--Just buy them out and establish a monopoly.
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02-24-2007, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jasp
to much that can go wrong so something will.
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No doubt... unfortunately. On the outside chance that they did agree on money (50/50) and the rules (UFC's rules because it would have to be if it were sanctioned in the U.S.)... they'd still argue over every single matchup.
Here's a great example that a friend and me discussed last night:
Pride said they wanted #1 and #2 in each division. But since the UFC's WW division isn't represented, most would drop down to LW. As a result, the UFC may say that their #1 and #2 LW are GSP and Hughes or Diego or Penn, but PRIDE may argue that UFC's #1 and #2 LW MUST BE Sherk and Franca. Big difference. For this point of disagreement alone, I think it is enough to prevent this from happening.
If there is any hope for this to truly happen, they need to have a 3rd party mediator, who ultimately decides on the differing points.
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02-24-2007, 02:55 PM
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there is no way that this will ever happen... dana will just wait till zuffa buy's all of pride and then take all the good fighters and bankrupt pride.... hence eliminating competition and effectively monopolizing the PPV market
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02-24-2007, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway
im not sure i agree... the 40 million longterm isnt worth it for the UFC... because if people in the states see that pride is good too they would be risking losing alot of money long term....
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Not necessarily. Most general mma fans are ONLY fans of the UFC simply because it is local and could care less about Pride. In a somewhat related comparision, it's like when American baseball all-stars play Japan each year or if the NFL champion were to play the NFL Europe Champion. It doesn't eliminate the fan base for MLB when the American all-stars lose, nor do I think it would if the NFL team were to lose. I think this event would only bring more awareness and excitement to the sport worldwide and within the US.
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02-24-2007, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by w0264007
Its no longer in the UFC's best interest to make any deals with PRIDE.
--Just buy them out and establish a monopoly.
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You're completely right, but it's unfortunate. If the UFC continues to slowly buyout all of Pride's fighters, the UFC's version of the MEGACARD will look like this:
Fedor vs. Brad Imes
Shogun vs. Sean Salmon
Dan Henderson vs. Ross Pointon
Chuck Liddell vs. (insert any 8-8 PRIDE fighter here)
GSP vs. (some 22 yr. old Japanese 2-0 "sensation" who almost fought in PRIDE)
Oiy Vey!
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02-24-2007, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Heatwaves
You're completely right, but it's unfortunate. If the UFC continues to slowly buyout all of Pride's fighters, the UFC's version of the MEGACARD will look like this:
Fedor vs. Brad Imes
Shogun vs. Sean Salmon
Dan Henderson vs. Ross Pointon
Chuck Liddell vs. (insert any 8-8 PRIDE fighter here)
GSP vs. (some 22 yr. old Japanese 2-0 "sensation" who almost fought in PRIDE)
Oiy Vey!
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You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. The UFC has been good a promoting fighters who are promotable. If the fans will like the fighter, he will get a shot. If he's unliked and boring, they will not invite him back.
However, I see things changing big time in the UFC since the HBO deal. expect fireworks for 2007.
Its a shame about PRIDE, though...*pours a libation for the fallen warriors*
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02-24-2007, 04:02 PM
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prides comin to an end
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02-24-2007, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by w0264007
You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. The UFC has been good a promoting fighters who are promotable. If the fans will like the fighter, he will get a shot. If he's unliked and boring, they will not invite him back.
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You mean like Jake O'Brien? Or Ross Pointon? Or half of the guys on TUF 4 that keep being brought back?
To quote a recurring and familiar phrase... you may think so, but you'd be wrong as well.
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02-24-2007, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Heatwaves
Not necessarily. Most general mma fans are ONLY fans of the UFC simply because it is local and could care less about Pride. In a somewhat related comparision, it's like when American baseball all-stars play Japan each year or if the NFL champion were to play the NFL Europe Champion. It doesn't eliminate the fan base for MLB when the American all-stars lose, nor do I think it would if the NFL team were to lose. I think this event would only bring more awareness and excitement to the sport worldwide and within the US.
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it would bring more awareness to the sport of MMA yes... but the UFC can make the claim that they have the best fighters (whether its true or not ) and continue to dominate the whole US market... thats worked great so far, no reason to take any challenges (from a business standpoint)
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02-24-2007, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TaddT189
I think these matchups will favor the UFC and would finally make jap's PRIDE Shutup
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Thats not really called for.
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02-24-2007, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Heatwaves
You mean like Jake O'Brien? Or Ross Pointon? Or half of the guys on TUF 4 that keep being brought back?
To quote a recurring and familiar phrase... you may think so, but you'd be wrong as well. 
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Perhaps, but UFN, UFC PPV, and the HBO fights are 3 separate entities. UFN is for up-and-comers and over-the-hillers (such as the TUF contestants), while the UFC PPVs are typically [i]slightly[i] better. We'll see how HBO effects that dynanic, but I'm predicting that the best-of-both orgs will be represented there.
Jake O'Brian has done well for himself. He's won his last 3 fights, but he's still UFN material. If he can put on a good show, he'll make his way to PPV.
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02-24-2007, 06:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OneStepAhead
This is a smart move by Pride; however, no way that UFC will do it. Prided is in a Win-Win while UFC is at a Win-Lose.
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actually it's lose-lose considering i'm sure pride will pull the same **** they did for chuck-wandy. getting a whole bunch of hype for their organization then backing out
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