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Old 03-21-2007, 11:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Sam Caplan of CBSSporstline will be posting an interview with Kurt Angle in the next few days, but as kind of a teaser he released a segment where Kurt discusses Chuck Liddell in detail, as well as a few words about Tito. Enjoy!

Q: You mention Chuck Liddell. Do you think your takedowns are good enough to take down a guy with as good of a sprawl as Liddell?

KA: Yeah, I'm too quick. Chuck's a great striker, that's the only thing that concerns me. I don't think he can take my leg attack. Of course, he knows it's going to come but also in the Olympics and on the Olympic circuit, those guys knew. I had horses like (Mark) Coleman and Mark Kerr who cut from 250 to 220, make weight and go right up to 250 again. I weighed 208 and I was taking those guys down without a problem and they knew what my best shots were but they still couldn't stop me. Chuck Liddell's going to know that I'm going to attack his leg, it's just a matter of how quick I am. When I watch these guys, they're World Class fighters and I have all the respect in the World for them but I have yet to see a fighter with the quickness I have. To me, I'm not saying these guys are slow, but they're very methodical. Randy Couture, Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell, you watch them, and if they ever leg attack, they're not very quick. The light heavyweight division, which in college would the 190 lbs. weight class, I was always quicker than any of the other 190 pounders. It was always a great weight class, but it was always a methodical weight class.

Q: Chuck Liddell was on the "Bubba the Love Sponge Show" recently and said for you to get in range for your takedown that you'd have to put yourself in a range to be hit. He went on to say he doesn't think you can handle getting hit. What's your reaction to that?

KA: My reaction to that, and I hope he understands this, he's a great striker. He's one of the best in the World; I've seen this guy strike on his heels. He's very unorthodox. When you throw a punch you want to put everything into it. Chuck doesn't have to. Chuck knows exactly where to hit the guy, straight in the jaw and he'll do it while he's back peddling. So he's very dangerous. But Chuck Liddell doesn't also realize that pro wrestling, I've been hit harder than you can ever imagine and it's not on purpose, it's accidental… He'll knock you square in the jaw, the nose, the forehead, whatever, the back of the head and then apologize later.

But I don't have a glass jaw. I've never been knocked out in my life. I've done a lot of fights, I wouldn't say mixed martial arts fights but it's going to be very difficult to knock me out, that's one thing I've always said. If Chuck Liddell doesn't knock me out in two minutes, he's going to have a hell of a fight on him because of my extraordinary conditioning.

That's what I've always told people, how I won the Olympics, I took everyone into overtime. I was so undersized, the best thing for me to do was wear them out. I turned these giants into mice. I plan on doing the same thing with mixed martial arts. I'm going to be careful, I'm not going to go in there and just get radical and start going toe-to-toe with Chuck Liddell -- that would be stupid for me. I also know to get in range to attack him, I don't necessarily have to get in punching range. He doesn't know me very well. He doesn't know that I can actually attack from eight feet away. And it could be shot to a punch combination back to a shot. Chuck, you know, is going to have to throw down on me and is obviously not allowed to hit the back of my head. I have a lot of respect for Chuck Liddell. Do I fear him? Hell, yeah. I'm scared to death of Chuck Liddell, as I am of Tito Ortiz or even Randy Couture.

But the one important thing is, Chuck, I've been watching him fight, and I watched Randy Couture fight him, and I thought Randy was a little bit too cautious and I thought Randy went on his feet a little too much with Chuck. But Randy was never a great leg attacker. Randy became an expert at mixed martial arts, not because he was a wrestler but because he learned all the disciplines. I look up to Randy Couture and I feel that he probably has made the best transition from wrestling to mixed martial arts than anybody that I know because he doesn't rely on his wrestling skills all that much, and that surprises me. Randy Couture in college was not very quick, he was a very methodical wrestler, slower; he kind of wore you down like he does in his fighting. He was a four-time All-American, he went to the Olympics. He wouldn't have made it as a freestyle wrestler as a leg attacker, so he went with Greco Roman. So, the one thing you don't want to do with Randy Couture is tie up with your upper body, because he's very good at taking people down from an upper body position and so am I. We're very well-versatile with leg attacking and upper body movement. One thing I can do is pummel with the best and get anybody I want in a bear hug. It could start from a leg attack and come right up into a bear hug.

I'm very cautious of guys like Chuck Liddell and what they can do with front punches. I know one thing's for sure, I'm going to have to put the pressure on him and not allow him to have a chance to get one of his best shots in and that means that I have to be on my toes the whole fight. It's not like I can just be on my toes the fight minute and say, "Okay, I'm fine now" because Chuck can knock you out anytime in the fight in any round. So every round to me with Chuck would be a new round and I would have to stick to my gameplan the entire fight.

Now, Tito Ortiz on the other hand, I look at him and I respect the heck out of him because of willingness to win and that he's just not a mixed martial arts expert but I see that guy and he knows how to fight dirty. You grab his wrist and you tie him up, and you have his wrist to keep him from punching you and he'll throw that punch and while you're holding his wrist he'll come up with a forearm right to the face, which is illegal, but the ref won't see it. I've seen him do it many times. Tito, he's an expert at dirty fighting. Not just Tito Ortiz, they're other people out there that know how to dirty fight in mixed martial arts. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, I mean that as a complement to Tito Ortiz.

… I understand what Chuck's saying, but I'm not just going in there and be a wrestler. Chuck also has to watch out for my punches, he doesn't know what kind of power I have. The one thing I know is that I'm not going toe-to-toe with Chuck, I'm not stupid. He's proven himself time and time again.

When I look at all these fighters I look at them all differently. I don't one fighter that's the same and that's the way I'm going to study my opponents. If I have to fight those guys, I'm going to fight them all a different way.
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Personally, if Angle ever fights in the UFC... which is doubtful... I don't think he'll ever make it to fight Liddell. I believe that other guys would take him out long before he would get the opportunity.
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Old 03-21-2007, 12:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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YAWN!!!! Kurt had my respect since the first time I heard about him, but is he 12 years old or something? What's with all this talk? "Yeah, I might do MMA. I would beat all those guys. Nah, I'll go back to pro wrestling instead. I'd still beat them though."

Like Chuck said at that Bubba interview..."even if he did get me on the ground what is he gonna do? Lay on me? I'll get back up."

And since when is a "forearm to the face" illegal?
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Old 03-21-2007, 12:07 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Plus he was named in the roid article if I'm not wrong......So that would be a black eye for him to try and get into MMA right now.
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I think of all the people in sports and Hollywood who need to shut up, Kurt Angle tops my list. I can't BELIEVE he's still on about this, when the whole MMA world has finally concluded that all he's ever going to do is talk.

Kurt: You're a pro wrestler. Yes, you have an amazing amateur and Olympic record, but that was a long time ago and you're not that guy anymore. This is equal to Uncle Rico in Napoleon Dynamite watching films of himself throwing a football, talking about all the things he would have done.

You've been handed an unbelievable opportunity to fight in the UFC, which is basically getting paid to train under the top fighters in the organization until you're ready to fight, and you've already turned it down. So STOP talking about the idea of you fighting Chuck and Tito and Couture, because it's never, never, EVER going to happen.

GOD!!! This guy makes me so angry.
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I think that you guys are greatly underestimating Angle. He is an olympic champion, if Randy can take down Chuck so can Kurt. He has been a competing athlete for many years now, it's not like he is just jumping straight into MMA with no knowledge or conditioning. He does talk smack and he can't seem to make up his mind whether or not to come into MMA but the choice is not that easy for him. I'm sure TNA is paying him a lot more than the UFC would, they have a track record for pathetic pay days.

Wrestling is the best discipline to have for the transition into MMA and he may be arguably one of the best if not the best wrestler of all time. Give him time to train striking and submissions and I honestly think he could be a force in the LHW division. He has the takedowns, strength, and conditioning to beat an aging Chuck, he just needs to quit talking and start training.
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I think that you guys are greatly underestimating Angle. He is an olympic champion, if Randy can take down Chuck so can Kurt. He has been a competing athlete for many years now, it's not like he is just jumping straight into MMA with no knowledge or conditioning. He does talk smack and he can't seem to make up his mind whether or not to come into MMA but the choice is not that easy for him. I'm sure TNA is paying him a lot more than the UFC would, they have a track record for pathetic pay days.

Wrestling is the best discipline to have for the transition into MMA and he may be arguably one of the best if not the best wrestler of all time. Give him time to train striking and submissions and I honestly think he could be a force in the LHW division. He has the takedowns, strength, and conditioning to beat an aging Chuck, he just needs to quit talking and start training.
See Chuck-Randleman. I doubt Kurt can shoot any faster than Randleman. Or punch anywhere near as hard.

And Kurt isn't aging?
The guy's a mess physically (and a little bit mentally as well) from what I've heard.
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Even if Randleman can shoot faster that doesn't mean that Kurt wouldn't have a better finish and secure the takedown. Sure he is aging but if I had to choose which man is aging better I'd definitely say Angle. Kurt has broken his neck and come back to compete and is still competing. If he had any career threatening injuries I don't think he would be in pro wrestling, MMA would probably be a safer sport for him in the long run with all of that crazy circus stuff they do in pro wrestling. Plus, who is to say he can't punch as hard as Randleman we have never seen Kurt throw a punch.

As you can tell I have a soft spot for Angle, with some experience I do think that he could dismantle Chuck.
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Even if Randleman can shoot faster that doesn't mean that Kurt wouldn't have a better finish and secure the takedown. Sure he is aging but if I had to choose which man is aging better I'd definitely say Angle. Kurt has broken his neck and come back to compete and is still competing. If he had any career threatening injuries I don't think he would be in pro wrestling, MMA would probably be a safer sport for him in the long run with all of that crazy circus stuff they do in pro wrestling. Plus, who is to say he can't punch as hard as Randleman we have never seen Kurt throw a punch.

As you can tell I have a soft spot for Angle, with some experience I do think that he could dismantle Chuck.
Yes, I can tell. I used to have it too.

Angle aging better? With his broken neck, and years steroid- and pain med-abuse? Come on, man. Most of the experienced WWE-guys are like zombies.
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Most of the experienced WWE-guys are like zombies.


That is an unfair generalization imo. I can see where you are coming from though, I'll leave this debate until Kurt actually fights (if he ever does).
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He's not going to. He claims he wants to, but only if whatever organization he fights for lets him stay active in TNA at the same time. The UFC doesn't want some pro wrestler dabbling in MMA, they want to maintain a certain standard within the sport. So now Kurt has a perfect excuse -- he'd fight, it's the UFC that won't agree to it.

Dana White said it best. "Kurt's full of s**t and he doesn't really want to fight."
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to say that Kurt Angle could dismantle Chuck is an insult to the sport of MMA. This guy has smoked himself retarded. All these interviews he just rambles and flips back n forth about how he would do this but they are all great. He comes off as a maaive tool to me.


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Wrestling is the best discipline to have for the transition into MMA and he may be arguably one of the best if not the best wrestler of all time.
Very arguable. In fact, its wrong. He's not even the best US wrestler of this generation. Cael Sanderson was/is currently much more dominant than Kurt ever was. 4x NCAA champ to Kurt's 2x. Cael was also Olympic Gold Medalist as well, his first year out of college. Took Kurt 4 years to win his in controversial fashion. Cael was 159-0 in college. Kurt had over a dozen losses in college.

Dan Gable was a monster wrestler, much better than Angle. He was 182-1 in NCAA, won 2 NCAA's (not allowed to compete as a freshman), and also won a Olympic Gold without giving up 1 point! He was an insane 299-6-3 after high school, including all international competition.

I could likely list close to a dozen wrestlers with much better credentials than Angle. Bruce Baumgartner, John Smith, Stephen Neal, Kenny Monday, Dan Hodge, Dave Schultz, and dozens of internationals including Alexander Karelin, Buvaysa Saytiev. Angle was a great wrestler, but that was a decade ago.

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He has the takedowns, strength, and conditioning to beat an aging Chuck, he just needs to quit talking and start training.
Angle is 38 with alot more wear and tear on his body as compared to 37 for Chuck. It would be more appropriate to say Angle is aging and breaking down an awful lot more than Liddell.

I was always a big fan of Angle's, having watched him for years as an amateur wrestler and as a pro. His athleticism was amazing. But he has really broken down over the years and even his TNA matches have been very dissappointing.

He goes on and on about his Olympic victory. STOP LIVING IN THE PAST. It was over a decade ago. And he won that in controversial fashion, barely squeaking by most of his opponents, winning on judges' decisions rather than beating the opponent decisively on the mat. But if you listen to him, he dominated that Olympiad.

I'm very tired of him running his mouth about MMA. STFU!!! He keeps saying he respects guys but then goes and completely disrespects some great wrestlers' skills like Coleman and Couture. As pointed out above, he doesn't even know that elbow strikes are legal in many MMA orgs. Get in the ring/cage and earn the fans respect, rather than continuing this "heel" role that is better off left in the pro wrestling ring.
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Yea you got me good there, maybe I should have said the most decorated wrestler rather than best.

I still think he is a great physical specimen for his age as compared to Chuck though. I have only ever heard rumors of Angle's injuries, none have ever been brought up by him.
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Part of his pro wrestling persona is to say how he won with a "broken freaking neck". He goes on and on about it. Fact of the matter is, he had a small vertebral fracture in his cervical spine that was discovered a few months before the Olympics. Normal X-rays had missed it due to its small size. It was a fracture, but it is commonly misdiagnosed as a sprained neck. Not taking away from what was certainly a very painful injury, but it was not nearly as severe as his pro wrestling persona would have you believe. The Olympic team physicians would never have allowed him to compete if it was truly a dangerous fracture.

His neck has been a huge problem ever since then. Read about some of his surgeries and pain killer needs here. He was basically let go from the WWE for failing their Wellness program due to his continuing reliance of pain killers and possibly steroids. Dissappointingly, he has recently been linked to the massive steroid/HGH probe in Albany NY with alot of other pro athletes.

He has also had a cracked rib in pro wrestling as well as a few concussions.
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This is equal to Uncle Rico in Napoleon Dynamite watching films of himself throwing a football, talking about all the things he would have done.
With this post and your captive Portuguese man post, you're quickly becoming my favorite poster.
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Kurt Angle's MMA involvement starts and ends with discussion. He can talk all he wants, fact is: He isn't a fighter.
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is he friggen nuts or what..i put him in the ring with mike swick and mike can do a quick swick on his ass ..lol hahahaha
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would angle fight at 185 or 205, if he ever manned up and fought in mma.
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