Thread: when is it ok to trash an MMA fighter??

i keep having this debate with several people....

many of you will say right away you cant say anything because they get in the cage and sacrifice their bodies and put in the time to train ect ect....

others will say, if i buy the PPV or the tickets to the event, as a fan i have the right to do so....

comparing to all other major sports the main viewpoint is if you pay for a ticket you have the right to say anything you want within reason....

the difference in MMA being some of these guys only make about 40k a year which is a normal paying job, so should they be subjected to the same stuff as a baseball player making 5 mil a year??

my view is that right now MMA figthers should be respected because of the time they put in ect ect only now because salaries are lower.. however in the next year or 2 or 3 they salaries really should raise up to much higher levels as MMA continues to get huge and at that point they are making a ton of money to deal with the critisizims from the fans
comments?

Anyone should have the right to criticise, as long as its constructive and not disrespectful.

eg.
"He didnt fight too well and has a lot to learn" is constructive criticism
"He's a crap fighter and is better off working in McDonalds" is disrespectful bashing

I think the whole "You dont fight so you cant say anything about fighters" idea is rubbish. Using that logic I shouldnt be able to criticise a film because Im not a film-maker or I cant criticise Justin Timberlake's music because Ive never had a no.1.

Im a dj and I'll gladly accept criticism about my sets or mixes from anyone, it doesnt matter if they dj themselves, they're the people Im aiming my music at so they should be able to comment on it, as long as they're not disrespectful in doing so.

I hope that analogy made sense

how about AROD on the yankees for example.... many fans will yell stuff like go back to the rangers ect ect... thats disrespectful bashing but they feel like they can say that because they are fans and pay for tickets

I am pretty liberal in my thoughts at a fans perogative to bash,hate or whatever. So long as it doesn't get racial, sexual orientation, or family directed I am fine with it.

il happyily critisce a fighter, he chooses to fight in MMA i didnt force him, it is entertainment afterall, football players spend hours trainign and have so sicne they were little kids, still i yell abuse at the oppossing players and even i dont liek some of theplayers currently playing for my own team, i think the respect thing has went a little to far, i respect that they are better than me at MMA and i aknowledge how hard they train but as a spectator i have the privialage to make my own comments and agreements about certain fighters and styles.

Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

How many g*damn times do i have to mention that it is in the site rules and FAQ?

i dont understand either of your posts in this thread and im not so sure you understand the intention of this thread... this thread is meant for MMA fans in a bar or sitting around a campfire talking about MMA fighters. NOT fightforum.. i understand what your rules are... im talking about in theory with other conversations... feel free to reply to that specific topic

Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

and thats why nobody lik..errr.. did i say something?

???? whats this mean\in reference to

i dunno. in one regard, i am a fan of the sport. otoh, i am also a consumer, so once i pay for the fight, i should be entitled to say whatever i want. no one is gonna pout if i call my car ****ty, so i am not sure how much a difference there is if we adhere and accept the consumptive discourse.

i think for the most part i enjoy intelligent conversation, so saying fighter A sucked balls, although doesnt bother me, it doesnt add much to what could have potentially been a stimulating and enlightening conversation, so in that regards its kinda lame. but again, calling a fighter a bad name doesnt bother me at all. what do i care, aside from the loss of shared ideas, peopel have the opportunity just like in every other sports arena.

with respect to the sacrifices these fighters make, i offer them no special accord or respect because of what they do. a lot of people work very hard, and i consider myself one of those poeple. i have sacrificed a great deal to acquire the success that i have acheive and will continue to achieve because i work very hard. i respect all people who work hard, irrespective of the ufc fighter who gets to live his dream or teh single mother with 2 jobs to feed her family--if a person works hard, they are truly entitled to respect.

someone wants to bash, i say who cares. its kinda like the celebrity who pouts and whines because they cant leave their house without someone snapping a photo or harassing them. i would suggest that they put forth their best efforts to be in the public eye, then they pout when they are in it. much like jesse james on the discovery channel when he complains that he cant go to his shop without someone waiting outside. maybe the toys and t-shirts at walmart, the t.v. shows and the like are reason that he is so well known. he seems to want the reward and teh cash, but that is it. when you sell yourself to corporate america, there is gonna be a price.

i realise that ufc stars arent "movie stars", but look at tito. he is in the spotlight every chance he gets, then we get in heck here for saying anything that may be thought negative about the guy.

i got in **** for poking fun at teh fact that he dates a chick who is a pornstar. to that end, i think that some things on this fightforum do not make much sense to me, but whatever. the guy wants to date a pornstar, and i can discuss it everywhere wxcept in the fight forum because it is bashing, but i am sure that a reasonable person would expect a person to make a smart ass comment about dating a pornstar, especially when the same guy has a jerk t-shirt for some of the guys he beats. strange.

if you need to ask when something is Ok you obviously have feelings that one some level its wrong.

Originally Posted by Crashsti

if you need to ask when something is Ok you obviously have feelings that one some level its wrong.

thats very true...

hopefully your not jumping down my throat on this, i stated what my opinions were, i just was asking everyones thoughts from their own personal backgrounds....

i think its wrong for now because these guys are putting their bodies on the line for a regular days pay... if they were making millions then like any athlete the fans should be allowed to state their feelings, even in the form of booing if you paid 300 bucks and you get a jordan\gonzaga fight

Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

thats very true...

hopefully your not jumping down my throat on this, i stated what my opinions were, i just was asking everyones thoughts from their own personal backgrounds....

i think its wrong for now because these guys are putting their bodies on the line for a regular days pay... if they were making millions then like any athlete the fans should be allowed to state their feelings, even in the form of booing if you paid 300 bucks and you get a jordan\gonzaga fight

fighter bashing is wrong. being critical of a fighter's performance is'nt. there is a differance. Fighter bashing requires no intellect, anyone can watch a fight and say that someone sucks or comment on how dumb they thought someone's hair was. being critical of a fighters performance on the other hand means that you actually have some understanding of the mechanics of a fight, understand why things may or may not happen and understand how they could be made better. in some extreme cases like Gonzaga vs. Jordan, well...in cases like that we're better off just forgetting it ever happened.

Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

thats very true...

hopefully your not jumping down my throat on this, i stated what my opinions were, i just was asking everyones thoughts from their own personal backgrounds....

i think its wrong for now because these guys are putting their bodies on the line for a regular days pay... if they were making millions then like any athlete the fans should be allowed to state their feelings, even in the form of booing if you paid 300 bucks and you get a jordan\gonzaga fight

but jordan and gonzaga only got like 5k to fight? so we shouldnt boo? where do we draw the line?

guys put there bodies on the line for much less, what about nuclear power workers for sea fishermen? they risk their lives much more than an MMA fighter for much less, im not sure how we can say we cant boo just because they earn less, we need to remeber these guys make a healthy living from being in the publics eye through sponsorships and media. so why shouldnt we be allowed to boo, if im a fan of horse racing, your jockey might put his life on the line for alot less than an MMA fighter yet i would boo if he had a poor show, we can look at many sports where the guys are multi millionaires and risk injury for it yet we can still boo... boxing at lower levels, motor racing, polo.

Originally Posted by Nimmy

but jordan and gonzaga only got like 5k to fight? so we shouldnt boo? where do we draw the line?

guys put there bodies on the line for much less, what about nuclear power workers for sea fishermen? they risk their lives much more than an MMA fighter for much less, im not sure how we can say we cant boo just because they earn less, we need to remeber these guys make a healthy living from being in the publics eye through sponsorships and media. so why shouldnt we be allowed to boo, if im a fan of horse racing, your jockey might put his life on the line for alot less than an MMA fighter yet i would boo if he had a poor show, we can look at many sports where the guys are multi millionaires and risk injury for it yet we can still boo... boxing at lower levels, motor racing, polo.

its differant to be at a live event though. you're there, you bought a ticket and you want to see excitement. if i had been i attendance at that fight you mentioned you can be sure i would booo and yell. its part of the experience of going to a live show. Can you imagine a UFC event if the crowd just was dead silent? everyone would think something is wrong.

Originally Posted by Crashsti

its differant to be at a live event though. you're there, you bought a ticket and you want to see excitement. if i had been i attendance at that fight you mentioned you can be sure i would booo and yell. its part of the experience of going to a live show. Can you imagine a UFC event if the crowd just was dead silent? everyone would think something is wrong.

thats why i dont like pride it lacks the excitement.
im all for justified booing, i hate unjustified