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Old 05-03-2008, 03:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Confrontation! Haye + Wlad

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i think Wlad will KO him.
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I think Wlad will beat him by jabbing and holding. I would LOVE to see Haye as heavyweight champ. I think he would be a tremendous figure head for the sport
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I think Wlad will beat him by jabbing and holding. I would LOVE to see Haye as heavyweight champ. I think he would be a tremendous figure head for the sport
Interesting point about the jabbing and holding.

Whenever I, in person, discuss potential match-ups that include Klitschko, some say "he beats him with the jab alone". No, he doesn't, I don't think.
The jab is a long and mid distance weapon. So what happens when his opponents come close? Yeah, exactly ...
He beats them by holding, which is illegal, the rules need to be enforced more strictly.

My opinion.
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Interesting point about the jabbing and holding.

Whenever I, in person, discuss potential match-ups that include Klitschko, some say "he beats him with the jab alone". No, he doesn't, I don't think.
The jab is a long and mid distance weapon. So what happens when his opponents come close? Yeah, exactly ...
He beats them by holding, which is illegal, the rules need to be enforced more strictly.

My opinion.
Couldn't agree more about the holding! The Hopkin's fight drove me insane! Not to mention the Wlad-Ibragimov "fight"

I've always thought Wlad's best punch was the right hand lead. He destroyed Calvin Brock once he started getting the idea to throw it. I have never understood why, all of a sudden his jab is seen at one of the best in the sport. He paws with it more than snaps it. Frank Bruno had a beautiful jab.

That's boxing's BIGGEST flaw in my opinion, and it harks back to the problem with all the alphabet organisations in the sport. The sport has no Global overall Governing body. Like FIFA for example. Therefore, rule changes, such as new rules on holding for example are near to impossible to draft. The "alphabets" will never agree to anything!

I think Golden Boy will be good long term in this respect. The more they grow and acquire control of things the better! (The acquisition of the Ring magazine was crucial, The Ring is the closest thing we have to a Global regulator on the sport)

Another rule I'd like changed, and I've made the point before on the forum, is the rule on "what is a scoring shot" . I want to see a move away from the amateur game, where "a touch counts"
You telling me, a Klitchko paw is worth the same as a Bruno Jab?
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In amateur boxing, punching power only plays a secondary role, if you like.
In professional boxing on the other hand it plays a primary role as rounds are scored based on ring generalship and effective aggressiveness.
A paw with a jab does not equal and real power shot, which is why I never understood how people could think James Toney should have won the first match against Samuel Peter.
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