boxing vs mma - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

tyoung · 09-18-2006, 06:54 PM

now id like too speak on the behalf of boxing fans...for u people that say that a boxer will not last in mma...becuz he get taken to the ground and get rocked well im a mma fan myself love it more then boxing

but thats like puttin...a mma fighter in the boxing ring

he aint gunna last to long ether...NO GROUND GAME

so as far as boxing vs mma

its win win lol

cant see silva beatin winky right in a boxing ring

and i cant see winky right beatin silva in mma

THATS HOW I SEE IT? WHAT ABOUT U?

lwbfl · 09-18-2006, 07:30 PM

Some MMA fighters still box, or came from boxing, so you have to look at the individual on both ends before making our guess on who would win.

w0264007 · 09-18-2006, 07:49 PM

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Some MMA fighters still box, or came from boxing, so you have to look at the individual on both ends before making our guess on who would win.

True. However, I think the spirt of this post is that comparing boxers to MMArtists is like comparing apples and orenges. They are both fruit, by require very different climates to grow and flourish.

I'd say that learning the skills necessary to become a good MMArtist, will put constraints on the speed of skill aquisition, and the level of proficiency that one can attain in pure boxing. And vise versa.

There have been several boxers who made the switch to MMA, all have some other skill sets that they bring to the table (think Vitor Belfort and BJJ, Pete Spratt and wrestling, Jens Pulver and MFS), and a few were great. But clearly are superior in one sport or the other. For instance, Jens Pulver is a very technical boxer, and uses that to waste the less technical strikers prevalent in MMA, however, against an experienced boxer, his expertise wouldn't be so overwhelming. Everyone else is just as technical.

For the record, I always go through boxing training in UFC: sudden impact (boxers rule!)

comucazi · 09-18-2006, 08:31 PM

i think if a boxer and mma fought in the streets, not in the ring not in the octagon. mma guy would win 9 /10 times

w0264007 · 09-18-2006, 10:58 PM

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i think if a boxer and mma fought in the streets, not in the ring not in the octagon. mma guy would win 9 /10 times

Unless the boxer bites his ear off...

Crashsti · 09-19-2006, 12:19 PM

MMA and Boxing are two distinct sports. each with its own set of rules. there is no point in comparing the two. in the cage the advantage always will go to the more well rounded fighter unless the more well rounded fighter chooses to foolishly try to stand with the strict boxer. in K-1 boxers like Shannon Briggs have seen some success against MMA fighters who disrespect the real power a boxer like Briggs has, just ask Tom Erikson. boxing is a sport by itself, just like Judo or BJJ. they all have excellent points on thier own but can all be mixed together to get something else.

w0264007 · 09-19-2006, 03:00 PM

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MMA and Boxing are two distinct sports. each with its own set of rules. there is no point in comparing the two. in the cage the advantage always will go to the more well rounded fighter unless the more well rounded fighter chooses to foolishly try to stand with the strict boxer.

Or unless the boxer is able to "impose his will" on the MMArtist.

PINOYPRIDE · 09-23-2006, 01:44 AM

I think MMA is more of an advantage than a boxer cause a MMA fighter is more well rounded than a boxer.

A boxer only weapons are his hands while a MMA figher can kick, punch, submit you, GnP etc.

Bull · 09-23-2006, 02:07 AM

Saying a boxer is only able to use his fists does not make sense. You only see what the fighters do in the ring, you have no idea how they react when there are no rules to play by. Most boxers are kind of experienced streetfighters, they are used to fighting all kinds of people, not only (other) boxers.
Do you really think any MMA guy could just go in there and take George Foreman down? LOL I don't think so ...

w0264007 · 09-23-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bull

Saying a boxer is only able to use his fists does not make sense. You only see what the fighters do in the ring, you have no idea how they react when there are no rules to play by. Most boxers are kind of experienced streetfighters, they are used to fighting all kinds of people, not only (other) boxers.
Do you really think any MMA guy could just go in there and take George Foreman down? LOL I don't think so ...

I think Crocop or Fedor would ktfo Foreman. Foreman in my mind is the second greatest boxer of the twentieth century, but he would lose to today's top MMA fighters.

Could Minotauro beat Mike Tyson? probably, but "Iron Mike" would bite the piss out of him.

Prison fighting rules! War Tyson!

SeikanJudanski · 09-23-2006, 04:28 PM

A pure boxer would get destroyed in the street by an MMA fighter. The boxer is limited to strikes and maybe a few other moves, but he has nothing and nowhere as much arsenal as a MMA fighter, who is trained for these situations, and if the Boxer cannot keep it on his feet and takes it to the ground, he would get choked out, his arm broken or killed.

w0264007 · 09-23-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SeikanJudanski

A pure boxer would get destroyed in the street by an MMA fighter. The boxer is limited to strikes and maybe a few other moves, but he has nothing and nowhere as much arsenal as a MMA fighter, who is trained for these situations, and if the Boxer cannot keep it on his feet and takes it to the ground, he would get choked out, his arm broken or killed.

The thing is, there is no such thing as a "pure boxer." Most have some type of background in either street fighting, wrestling, or american football.

The street fighter/boxer would get schooled by a good Jiu justu guy, has a good chance of knocking out an "eager fighter" shooting in. At least he'd get the concept of the mount, and possibly fight dirty. Was it Jake LaMotta who broke some guy's skull by slamming it in a car door?

Wrestlers and football players know how to stay on their feet, and if that is your bread and butter, then that is all you need. Even in the old UFC, EVERYONE had SOME wrestling skills, they teach it in Gym class here.

Do I think an average boxer would beat an average MMArtist? No.
Do I think a very good boxer would beat an average MMArtist? Yes.

tyoung · 09-24-2006, 12:03 PM

well...boyz

i think a boxer would take a mma fighter 2 school in the boxing ring
cuz the mma fight cant take em down that would be very distracting for an mma fighter

n the boxer couldint last in mma cuz well......u boyz know why

but in a street fight?

MTKrav911 · 09-24-2006, 03:34 PM

My best friend helps Nick Diaz in Stockton with the boxing and he's been coaching boxers out of Stockton for 14 years. He said it best.

"Nick can throw bombs. He's a decent welterweight with some pro bouts. But Boxers have a different stance and if you tackle a boxer, he's dead. On the flip side, a fast enough pro boxer would light up even the best MMA fighter assuming he didnt get tackled first. In UFC 1 there was a former IBF boxing champ who got tackled and killed by some retarded looking kickboxer. So the debate so far in my opinion is MMA 1 win, Boxing 1 loss!" V. Badullio (Boxing Coach) Stockton CA

SeikanJudanski · 09-24-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by w0264007

The thing is, there is no such thing as a "pure boxer." Most have some type of background in either street fighting, wrestling, or american football.

The street fighter/boxer would get schooled by a good Jiu justu guy, has a good chance of knocking out an "eager fighter" shooting in. At least he'd get the concept of the mount, and possibly fight dirty. Was it Jake LaMotta who broke some guy's skull by slamming it in a car door?

Wrestlers and football players know how to stay on their feet, and if that is your bread and butter, then that is all you need. Even in the old UFC, EVERYONE had SOME wrestling skills, they teach it in Gym class here.

Do I think an average boxer would beat an average MMArtist? No.
Do I think a very good boxer would beat an average MMArtist? Yes.

I know what they teach in gym class in the states, but when speaking about Boxers, we shouldn´t just be considering Americans. Fact is that there are thousands of Boxers Worldwide who don´t have any other skills, much less American Football, a sport which is highly unpopular in the rest of the world. Don´t count me, I love it.

Streetfights? yes, a lot of Boxers are also streetfighters. However the comparison was being made between Boxing and MMA. Not special Boxers with other skills and MMA. If you want to compare the two sports, you need to compare it by the books, not by exceptional Boxers who are skilled in other disciplines. Infact, that would be almost an MMA fighter you are describing. As you know, many MMA fighters come from Wrestling backgrounds.

Saying that there are no pure Boxer is simply not true. There are many Boxers who only box and haven´t even done anything else, but that wasn´t the comparison. It was the SPORT of Boxing vs MMA.

w0264007 · 09-24-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SeikanJudanski

I know what they teach in gym class in the states, but when speaking about Boxers, we shouldn´t just be considering Americans. Fact is that there are thousands of Boxers Worldwide who don´t have any other skills, much less American Football, a sport which is highly unpopular in the rest of the world. Don´t count me, I love it.

Streetfights? yes, a lot of Boxers are also streetfighters. However the comparison was being made between Boxing and MMA. Not special Boxers with other skills and MMA. If you want to compare the two sports, you need to compare it by the books, not by exceptional Boxers who are skilled in other disciplines. Infact, that would be almost an MMA fighter you are describing. As you know, many MMA fighters come from Wrestling backgrounds.

Saying that there are no pure Boxer is simply not true. There are many Boxers who only box and haven´t even done anything else, but that wasn´t the comparison. It was the SPORT of Boxing vs MMA.

I know. I was just making the point that there is no such thing as separating the sport from the individual. MMA is not one discipline, but many, and all of a fighter's skills and experiences help him survive. To take away those experiences from a boxer, just becasue he can't use them in the ring in his sport, is unfair in my mind (a lot of boxers are superb at clinch and pound, and have to be sneaky to keep the ref from penalizing them for holding the back of the head or trapping the hands... (Then there is the whole headbutt/low blow issue).

I know of 2 pure boxers in UFC:

In UFC 1, there was a Welterweight champion boxer who wore gloves and shoes, who Royce took down and mounted, who tapped out before Royce had a chance to submit him.

There was also a pro boxer in UFC 4 who wore MMA gloves and grippy socks who lost a close match to the winner of UFC 3, a cop with a background in ninjitsu. The fight was close, so close in fact that the cop could not continue in the tournament due to injuries, but the cop managed to get full mount and secure an armbar for the win.

w0264007 · 10-11-2006, 06:56 PM

I'm a wrestler, and a pretty fair submission grappler for the amount of training I've recieved, but I got in a fight with a kid who was trained as a boxer, and he tore me up when I tried to shoot in. (mind you, he was a lot taller than me, and my shoot is lame, but still). MMA doesn't necessarily equal beaten up boxer, but if identical twins were separated at birth, and one was trained in boxing and the other in MMA, I'd give the MMA guy the edge in a bar fight.

angryjonny · 10-11-2006, 07:03 PM

This kind of like asking who would win if basketball players and football players play soccer.

whiskey · 10-16-2006, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lwbfl

Some MMA fighters still box, or came from boxing, so you have to look at the individual on both ends before making our guess on who would win.

Agreed. I think that's lost on most people. They simply look at two "arts" going head to head and forget it's two fighters in there. It's not just a matter of what discipline you train in.

lethalweapon · 10-16-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by w0264007

True. However, I think the spirt of this post is that comparing boxers to MMArtists is like comparing apples and orenges. They are both fruit, by require very different climates to grow and flourish.

I'd say that learning the skills necessary to become a good MMArtist, will put constraints on the speed of skill aquisition, and the level of proficiency that one can attain in pure boxing. And vise versa.

There have been several boxers who made the switch to MMA, all have some other skill sets that they bring to the table (think Vitor Belfort and BJJ, Pete Spratt and wrestling, Jens Pulver and MFS), and a few were great. But clearly are superior in one sport or the other. For instance, Jens Pulver is a very technical boxer, and uses that to waste the less technical strikers prevalent in MMA, however, against an experienced boxer, his expertise wouldn't be so overwhelming. Everyone else is just as technical.

For the record, I always go through boxing training in UFC: sudden impact (boxers rule!)

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