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jplaca · 03-20-2008, 04:19 PM

Frank Shamrock: Ken Shamrock on Steroids "His Whole Life" - MMAjunkie.com

Hemdoz · 03-20-2008, 04:21 PM

So much for brotherly love.

Strikeforce world middleweight champion Frank Shamrock claims that his adoptive brother, UFC hall-of-famer Ken Shamrock, has done steroids "his whole life" and that the performance-enhacing drugs have given him a false of security.

Frank made the bold claims in a recent interview with MMA Madness.

When asked if he knew any fighters who were taking steroids, Frank mentioned only Ken.

"My brother Ken did them his whole life," Frank told MMA Madness. "Why do you think that his mind is so fried? Why do you think he crumbles before the big fights? He's got no psyche. He let steroids give him a false sense of security and the moment that stuff is gone he's no longer superman. He's just a regular man. But without all the hard work and without all the belief in himself that a regular man would have if he got up to that point. He's the only guy that I'll tell on, because he's always in trouble anyway.

MMAjunkie.com (MMA blog for UFC news, UFC rumors, fighter interviews and event previews/recaps - MMAjunkie.com) contacted one of Ken's representatives about the claims earlier today, and a response is expected to be issued soon.

It's worth noting, though, that Ken has never failed a drug test during an MMA event, and in recent years, the UFC almost always holds events in states in which drug testing is performed (though all fighters aren't always tested). However, fighters such as Dan Severn have long hinted that Ken uses steroids, and there's widespread speculation that Ken used during his days with the WWE.

Still, Frank gave no basis for his claims, nor did he mention any proof or specific instances in which he saw Ken use drugs.

Frank, who defends his Strikeforce title against Cung Le at next week's EliteXC/Strikeforce co-promotion, also spoke about the feud with his brother. The two have been estranged for a number of years, and Frank claims that it began when he decided to train on his own -- without the help of Ken. He said Ken was a "terrible teacher" and that jealousy over his own success caused the rift.

Both fighters have spoken openly about a potential fight, which would be billed as "brother vs. brother," taking place sometime in the next year. EliteXC live events president Gary Shaw said he'd be willing to promote it, but the brothers would likely produce it themselves.

Frank is eyeing an early 2009 fight date and said the bout would probably take place at 205 lbs.

With these latest claims, the fight probably got a whole lot more personal.

giguer · 03-20-2008, 04:28 PM

Hum if I remember. Because when Ken was in WWF I follow him a lot and know he was doing some mma before. I think Ken say that he was taking some roids but have stop...

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Scarecrow · 03-21-2008, 09:19 AM

I'm not sure if this should be posted here or in the general MMA forum, but it's an interesting read none-the-less.

Enjoy...

MMA Madness™ - MMA Insight™ News - Frank Shamrock: Ken did 'roids, I will beat Cung and I will never fight in the UFC

opsy · 03-21-2008, 09:48 AM

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MMA Madness: You say that you've seen guys take steroids. Could you maybe give us any names?

Shamrock: Sure, my brother Ken did them his whole life.

MMA Madness: Really?

Shamrock: Yeah. Why do you think that his mind is so fried? Why do you think he crumbles before the big fights? He's got no psyche. He let steroids give him a false sense of security and the moment that stuff is gone he's no longer superman. He's just a regular man. But without all the hard work and without all the belief in himself that a regular man would have if he got up to that point. He's the only guy that I'll tell on, because he's always in trouble anyway.

Can't hate him for sticking to his principles. He is very adamant about keeping the sport clean, so that must apply to everyone he thinks has done it.

stillstanding · 03-21-2008, 09:52 AM

Yeah but ratting out your brother?

Scarecrow · 03-21-2008, 10:06 AM

That's what stood out about the interview to me. He totally called out his brother on the roids. Not only that, it seems like he really looks down on him and doesn't hide it at all.

opsy · 03-21-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by stillstanding

Yeah but ratting out your brother?

That's just Frank. I wouldn't do it, but in a way it's better than throwing other names around because it's speaking from personal experience with a family member.

FightFan76 · 03-21-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow

That's what stood out about the interview to me. He totally called out his brother on the roids. Not only that, it seems like he really looks down on him and doesn't hide it at all.

Ken was in the WWE wresting seen for a stint where he really bulked up alot. Maybe he only did it there not in MMA competition. That still does not mean it was right but I think it is worse to do it in competition.....

Crashsti · 03-21-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FightFan76

Ken was in the WWE wresting seen for a stint where he really bulked up alot. Maybe he only did it there not in MMA competition. That still does not mean it was right but I think it is worse to do it in competition.....

Ken was pretty big when he fought in the early UFC's as well. It'd be quite ironic as well if its true. GOing back to his Superfight with Dan Severn where closed fists where supposedly illegal due to some court ruling. Dan used closed fists while Ken did'nt. I recall him saying he obeyed the ruling since he didi'nt want to be breaking the law. Anyhow, i am sure alot of guys in the past made poor choices regarding steroids. Just look at Kimo.

Rocky12233 · 03-21-2008, 11:06 AM

Snitch

lol

ge master · 03-21-2008, 11:29 AM

Let's face it, if Ken was on them, they were all on them. Know what I mean? You may as well assume so. Testing, yeah right.

Gooner · 03-21-2008, 12:03 PM

I bet he got them via his bodybuilder-nutritionist-BFF...

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Originally Posted by stillstanding

Yeah but ratting out your brother?

They're not real brothers (they weren't even adopted that young, Frank was almost in his 20s by then, I think), and they don't seem to get along either.
I probably wouldn't feel that loyal towards someone I met in my teens who I didn't like either.

I think Ken looked just as big if not bigger at UFC 40 and TUF 3 than what he did at UFC 1.

subgenius · 03-21-2008, 12:26 PM

It did seem strange, but it's also true that Frank and Ken do NOT get along well. But, even if they did, I could still see Frank doing this even then. Mostly it would be because, if Frank cared enough, a brother should NEVER allow his sibling (adopted or not) to punch up his body with street juices (steroids bought on the black market or whatever). If the only way to get Ken to stop was to go public with the problem, then Frank might actually be helping Ken. I kind of doubt that, but we do not see behind the scenes stuff.

earvinarp · 03-21-2008, 03:00 PM

Frank is brilliant.

fullonshred · 03-21-2008, 05:46 PM

Ken on 'Roids? Is anyone here really surprised? Did you really need Frank to say it to know it? Seriously? Wow.

Gygax · 03-25-2008, 12:05 PM

Ken Shamrock has responded to Frank's accusations of steroid use. Ken didn't play into the hype game and instead responded quite politically.

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During a recent interview with MMA Madness, Frank Shamrock stated that I have used steroids "my whole life." In making such a reckless and irresponsible statement, Frank has attacked my character. As such, I unfortunately find it necessary to respond to his allegations. I'm not sure what his motives were, but Frank's allegations are absolutely false.

During the interview, Frank also comments on the percentage of fighters that are allegedly using steroids, promoters that supposedly don't care about their fighters unless they win, and the industry's drug testing policies, or lack thereof. I would like to set the record straight.

Our sport has policies in place to deter steroid use and to weed out the guys that, as my brother says, "...are taking shortcuts to gain fame." I have been subjected to mandatory steroid testing countless times, and I have never tested positive for steroids, nor have I ever refused a test. Furthermore, my experience has always been that the promoters and fighters willingly comply with the drug testing mandated by the various athletic commissions.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) has always administered steroid and drug testing for licensed fighters. Recently, in an effort to further strengthen steroid testing policies, the NSAC implemented short-notice drug testing for MMA fighters. Fighters are now required to test at fixed times during the year, and are also randomly tested. Commissions in other states have similar policies in place. These policies clearly work as fighters occasionally do test positive and the penalties are significant.

For Frank to state that a majority of fighters use steroids and that the promoters do not care, or that they somehow condone the use of steroids, is unbelievably irresponsible. It tarnishes the image of every fighter and promoter in this industry. The comments Frank made about me and about the industry itself are based purely on his personal opinion, not on facts.

Frank should acknowledge that his comments were without merit and irresponsible, and apologize for the disparaging remarks he has made towards the fighters, promoters, and to the various athletic commissions who regulate MMA.

OneBigThrow · 03-27-2008, 04:40 PM

I think its awesome that Ken doesnt just focus on the comments about himself, but spends an overwhelming majority of his response on what Frank said about MMA fighters and promoters as a whole

id say Ken did much better than a "political" response

subgenius · 03-28-2008, 11:41 AM

To be honest, I found Ken's rhetoric more persuasive than Frank's comments.

aussieufcfan · 04-03-2008, 08:44 PM

Ken Shamrock has always looked like a firecarcker ready to go off & im not suprised that it has been said he was on roids......im just suprised that his brother said it.