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Harms · 03-31-2008, 12:00 PM

The one thing that stands out to me was Cung's speed, specifically his leg speed. Frank had no answer to it. Frank was able to take advantage of the few times he could counterpunch. Then Cung started using spinning backfists and elbows after kicks. It was an awesome display by Cung. I was also impressed by Cung's ability to fight when he was hurt.

Crashsti · 03-31-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Harms

The one thing that stands out to me was Cung's speed, specifically his leg speed. Frank had no answer to it. Frank was able to take advantage of the few times he could counterpunch. Then Cung started using spinning backfists and elbows after kicks. It was an awesome display by Cung. I was also impressed by Cung's ability to fight when he was hurt.

No doubt that Cung Le had the much superior stand up. Both with hands and feet with Frank only being able to gain the advantage once he crowded Cung Le and let his hands go. In my opinion this was just an exhibition of Cung's talent against a much less skilled striker in Shamrock. I will be impressed when Cung Le demonstates the ability to fight on the ground. SO WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE THIS GUY TO THE MAT!!!!!

Harms · 03-31-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

No doubt that Cung Le had the much superior stand up. Both with hands and feet with Frank only being able to gain the advantage once he crowded Cung Le and let his hands go. In my opinion this was just an exhibition of Cung's talent against a much less skilled striker in Shamrock. I will be impressed when Cung Le demonstates the ability to fight on the ground. SO WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE THIS GUY TO THE MAT!!!!!

Maybe they need to find someone with an explosive takedown like Kos. Hard to avoid that.

Gygax · 03-31-2008, 12:50 PM

One of the hottest rumors, mentioned by Cung Le himself after the fight, has him taking on Kaz Misaki. Misaki is also well rounded and will take the fight to the ground. Beating Misaki will go a long way to improving Le's standing in the rankings.

Dirty Fighter · 03-31-2008, 12:54 PM

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One of the hottest rumors, mentioned by Cung Le himself after the fight, has him taking on Kaz Misaki. Misaki is also well rounded and will take the fight to the ground. Beating Misaki will go a long way to improving Le's standing in the rankings.

Don't think Cung Le is ready for Misaki. I'd say he needs some more experience fighting lesser fighters, but now he's the champ and it's not really an option.

Crashsti · 03-31-2008, 12:58 PM

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One of the hottest rumors, mentioned by Cung Le himself after the fight, has him taking on Kaz Misaki. Misaki is also well rounded and will take the fight to the ground. Beating Misaki will go a long way to improving Le's standing in the rankings.

It will be great to see someone test Cung Le's all around abilities. My understanding is that Cung Le has been training BJJ for awhile now so he won't be completely uncomfortable there and may even have a few surprises. Cung Le is the real deal, at least on his feet. We don't know how he will perform elsewhere. Hope the rumors are true.

theEmpiric · 03-31-2008, 01:46 PM

Was I the only one NOT THAT IMPRESSED with this fight? Seems to me that Le could have been taken down atleast 10 different times throughout that fight.

Also, Le seems very open to an A.Silva clinch/knee to the face shot? And while Le's kicks are very pretty, seems to me that only a FEW were really powerful KO/Crocop type kicks.

It was a good fight, but hardly FOY. Not even close?

If Shamrock hadnt been such a hardhead about keeping the fight standing, I dont see him losing.

Kurgan · 03-31-2008, 03:12 PM

Hi all, I'm a bit of a noob here so sorry if you've already answered this but does anyone know if the Strikeforce fights can be seen in the UK or online anywhere?

Cheers.

MasterMWM · 03-31-2008, 04:03 PM

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Hi all, I'm a bit of a noob here so sorry if you've already answered this but does anyone know if the Strikeforce fights can be seen in the UK or online anywhere?

Cheers.

Maybe on FightNetwork or something? I personally made it a point to have friends that suscribe to ShowTime. Ain't I awful.

Also welcome to fight forum Kurgan.

Kurgan · 03-31-2008, 04:14 PM

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Maybe on FightNetwork or something? I personally made it a point to have friends that suscribe to ShowTime. Ain't I awful.

Also welcome to fight forum Kurgan.

Cheers MasterMWM

mammoth91 · 03-31-2008, 05:50 PM

Le's striking is amazing. Frank had no answers for it and forget the arm, Frank was on queer street, walking KO. He was beaten up and done !...

FightFan76 · 03-31-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by theEmpiric

Was I the only one NOT THAT IMPRESSED with this fight? Seems to me that Le could have been taken down atleast 10 different times throughout that fight.

Also, Le seems very open to an A.Silva clinch/knee to the face shot? And while Le's kicks are very pretty, seems to me that only a FEW were really powerful KO/Crocop type kicks.

It was a good fight, but hardly FOY. Not even close?

If Shamrock hadnt been such a hardhead about keeping the fight standing, I dont see him losing.

Yeah so he could have been taken down; I think so too but it does not have to happen for it to be a good/exciting fight which it was. I believe if he had chose to, Frank could have taken Le down and finished him but I am glad his ego kept him from doing that and ultimately got him beat. I do credit Frank for keeping his word and keeping it standing b/c he didnt feel he had to prove he could beat Le on the ground b/c he knew he probably could. I personally would want to win 1st and foremost so I would have taken his ass down as soon as I got into the slightest bit of trouble on my feet and finished him.....

nurspec · 03-31-2008, 06:40 PM

what an incredible fight.I really thought Frank would walk through him because of his experience ,but Le's take down defense was pretty good.I actually thought Cung was slower than he looked against Friklund (spl).I saw him fight one of those san shou matches and he looked like he didn't have a chin at all.He weathered the storm from Frank and showed incredible concentration ,and fought like a warrior.One of the best fights of the year without question and an absolute shocker.Elite right now have 2 of the brightest stars in mma with Cung and Kimbo and they are relative novices.What an exciting breath of fresh air this event is to the sport,i'm excited again.

nurspec · 03-31-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by theEmpiric

Was I the only one NOT THAT IMPRESSED with this fight? Seems to me that Le could have been taken down atleast 10 different times throughout that fight.

Also, Le seems very open to an A.Silva clinch/knee to the face shot? And while Le's kicks are very pretty, seems to me that only a FEW were really powerful KO/Crocop type kicks.

It was a good fight, but hardly FOY. Not even close?

If Shamrock hadnt been such a hardhead about keeping the fight standing, I dont see him losing.

Well i'm not in a position to say how effective is kicks were in terms of hurting frank,but sometimes kicks are used to offset an imminent attack or to set something up.What i will say that there were a few kicks that would have knocked anyone else out that landed on shamrock especially the one that took his mouth piece out.One to the ribs made me feel sick.
I think it's fair to say that cung is probably the best kicks in mma.If that wasn't even close to fight of the year what was.
In terms of significance, back and forth , obvious underdog winning i think it
has a good shout for fight of the year.
By the way frank did try to take him down on numerous occasions but failed.

nurspec · 03-31-2008, 06:54 PM

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It was a good fight, but not even close to best fight i'd even seen.
Sharmrock cock aditude was a bit lame. So i am glad he lost. If Cung would improve a bit more on the allround game he could be a major force in the MMA. But he is like 5 fights, and one promotion away from Silva.

well that is why you should be very impressive with Cung,because of his lack of experience and the fact that he controlled one of the greatest the sport has produced.

And i like Goldberg as a presentator. And i really woudn't want him anywhere else. It is obvisious that he loves the sport, and he brings a lot off experience with his wrestling background. I also love it if he goes to the fighters to fight a day with them.

I actually don't like Goldberg.I think he's a little too confrontational and likes to man handle fighters after a fight in an attempt to show that he's some kind of tough guy too.
He has obvious insecurities around mma fighters and he needs to lighten up a lot.

Gygax · 03-31-2008, 06:58 PM

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Elite right now have 2 of the brightest stars in mma with Cung and Kimbo and they are relative novices.What an exciting breath of fresh air this event is to the sport,i'm excited again.

Cung Le is not under contract to EliteXC. He is tied to Strikeforce. The only reason this fight was co-promoted under both banners was due to a negotiated deal due to Shamrock signing with EliteXC and breaking his original deal with Strikeforce. They only have to co-promote one more event together under the deal and Scott Coker has expressed his unhappiness with Gary Shaw and EliteXC "taking over" his events. Cung is also very loyal to Coker, as many of his fighters are.

el rudo · 03-31-2008, 08:17 PM

This was one exiting fight. Cung Le's kicks are awesome. If Frank could have fought more seriously he could have had a good chance to win. I would like to see a rematch.

ge master · 04-10-2008, 11:23 PM

For anyone to say that this fight wasn't one of the best in say, the past three years? Four years? Two years? To me, I was as excited during this fight as the Sylvia/Couture fight. I don't know. Perhaps people don't want to admit there are great fights outside of the UFC? Seems that way to me. How can you not consider this anything but incredible.

What I can say about Shamrock? He is as tough as they get. A true warrior, a true gladiator. How could you say anything less than that about the guy? Attitude, ego, who cares? The guy is unreal. You and I don't know how long he fought with the broken arm. If it was at the end, he even threw a solid right hand with it. Put his personality aside. He is a MMA god.

Le's kicks are so fast, it will mess with any opponent. I don't know a lot about the guy, but I will say he displayed a lot more unique strikes and entertaining attacks than I've seen in a while in the UFC. He's a keeper for sure.

Goldberg? He needs some more grooming. He's still learning, face it. Nobody is good at anything in the beginning. Rogan is the best, so let's remember that. Goldberg will get there in time.

FightFan76 · 04-13-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ge master

For anyone to say that this fight wasn't one of the best in say, the past three years? Four years? Two years? To me, I was as excited during this fight as the Sylvia/Couture fight. I don't know. Perhaps people don't want to admit there are great fights outside of the UFC? Seems that way to me. How can you not consider this anything but incredible.

What I can say about Shamrock? He is as tough as they get. A true warrior, a true gladiator. How could you say anything less than that about the guy? Attitude, ego, who cares? The guy is unreal. You and I don't know how long he fought with the broken arm. If it was at the end, he even threw a solid right hand with it. Put his personality aside. He is a MMA god.

Le's kicks are so fast, it will mess with any opponent. I don't know a lot about the guy, but I will say he displayed a lot more unique strikes and entertaining attacks than I've seen in a while in the UFC. He's a keeper for sure.

Goldberg? He needs some more grooming. He's still learning, face it. Nobody is good at anything in the beginning. Rogan is the best, so let's remember that. Goldberg will get there in time.

LOL.....at the Rogan props I know alot of people like the guy but he annoys the crap of me.....