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05-11-2007, 10:57 PM
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Amateur
Join Date: May 2007
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When to start and what
Hey I'm new and gonna be start learning my first style in summer and I can't now because I have to wait for my jaw to grow back bone, but I'm gonna start training now. I'm gonna be definatley working on cardio and need to know what muscles would be best to start working out first. Also when should I start taking supplements and which ones. I'm 16 if that has to do with any information for supplements.
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05-11-2007, 11:03 PM
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Probably Not Dana White
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Every man's nightmare
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Don't worry about any supplements. I'm not saying you should never take any, but for a 16 year old dude who's just starting his training, just worry about eating healthy and getting enough rest and you'll see good results from your training. I also wouldn't worry about any specific muscles. Do pushups, pullups, and situps and run to improve your cardio, and let the fight training you'll do later determine what muscles need to be stronger, and it'll happen as you learn to fight.
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05-14-2007, 01:52 PM
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I gave up fighting
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: near a waterfall
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add bodyweight squats to what Sitnspin said. do them often and work your way up to 100 in a row and beyond. you need legs that can last.
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05-14-2007, 04:43 PM
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Banned
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: London UK
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Book I'm following says do your biggest muscles first. Ie legs, then back / chest then the rest.You should leave a muscle 48 hours before you work it out again.
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05-14-2007, 08:16 PM
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Up and Coming
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Lee County VA
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All good advice. Just a technical point. When the body is weak in an area your technique is corrupted to compensate for the weakness. Poor conditioning does effect proper technique.
The better shape you are in before you begin the technical aspects of training the less bad habits you will have to correct when you begin to become a skilled fighter.
Avoiding bad habits early in training is high priority. Any experienced fighter here will agree, "It is very difficult to unlearn poor training". There are a lot of poor trainers out there, learn to weed out and wade through the BS.
To avoid large bulky oxygen burning muscle, I only use 110 lbs for every thing I do. I rely on inertia and explosive movements for resistance. Quick explosive movement builds fast twitch muscle fiber. You can't build FTMF using heavy weight. Of course there is time to bulk up if you need it but don't forget to concentrate at least part of your training to fast twitch muscle fiber development.
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05-14-2007, 09:24 PM
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Banned
Join Date: Aug 2006
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my advice for you is to sleep lots, im not a big fan of supplements but purple k creatine pills does good for the muscles. Considering your only 16 i wouldnt do weight training and if you do do weight training stretch out lots after training, lift weights properly if you do it wrong you will work out the wrong part of the muscle and you wont get what you want out of the excersise. I dont do any weight training except bicep curls for my elbows. Chin ups, Dips, leg raises, pushups, crunches are all good you can pm for good conditioning techniques. Dont try and do to much to fast you will get injuries that could affect your life later.
Good luck!
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05-14-2007, 09:28 PM
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Probably Not Dana White
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Every man's nightmare
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peniel
All good advice. Just a technical point. When the body is weak in an area your technique is corrupted to compensate for the weakness. Poor conditioning does effect proper technique.
The better shape you are in before you begin the technical aspects of training the less bad habits you will have to correct when you begin to become a skilled fighter.
Avoiding bad habits early in training is high priority. Any experienced fighter here will agree, "It is very difficult to unlearn poor training". There are a lot of poor trainers out there, learn to weed out and wade through the BS.
To avoid large bulky oxygen burning muscle, I only use 110 lbs for every thing I do. I rely on inertia and explosive movements for resistance. Quick explosive movement builds fast twitch muscle fiber. You can't build FTMF using heavy weight. Of course there is time to bulk up if you need it but don't forget to concentrate at least part of your training to fast twitch muscle fiber development.
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Welcome, Peniel. I like the way you post (it's nice when someone can make their points clearly and with no typos or awful grammar). I agree 100% that it's difficult to unlearn poor training.
However, I have to disagree with your comment that "you can't build FTMF using heavy weight." In fact, there's a lot of confusion about what fast twitch and slow twitch muscle fibers even are, and what kind of lifts work them. Bear with me, because I've only recently had this clarified.
It's the slow twitch fibers that are used for endurance activities. Even with a lighter weight, if you're going to be moving it for a long time, it's the STMF that come into play. You work the fast twitch when the weight is at the heavier end of what you can handle, or in any exercise where you're using more of your overall strength in that muscle group. So it's that heavy weight that actually does build FTMF. The bigger fibers are, in fact, the fast twitch.
I'll turn it over to my man Ross Enamait for an elaboration:
For starters, muscle fibers are grouped into motor units. A motor unit contains hundreds of muscle fibers and one nerve, which delivers a signal to the muscle fibers. All of the muscle fibers contained within the motor unit are of the same type (fast twitch or slow twitch). When a signal is passed for the motor unit to contract, all of the fibers within that motor unit will contract.
When training for power development, we must target the fast twitch muscle fibers. Unfortunately, not all motor units are activated at once. Low intensity exercise does not activate the fast twitch muscle fibers. If the exercise does not stimulate a fast twitch motor unit, the muscle fibers contained within the unit will not adapt to the training. Essentially, if the motor unit is not recruited, no response occurs.
Thus, if you only lift very light loads, you will not adequately target the fast twitch muscle fibers. When lifting heavy loads (training maximal strength), a high percentage of motor units are activated. During such intense loads, fast twitch motor units are recruited. For this reason, maximal strength training is considered the superior method for improving both intramuscular and intermuscular coordination.
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05-14-2007, 09:50 PM
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Up and Coming
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Lee County VA
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I stand corrected. To say you cant build FTMF using heavy weights was a poor choice of words. My point was to avoid large bulky oxygen burning muscle.
A curious point of fact is when for instance a 100 lb bar bell is on a bunch press and is lifted with explosive force and a heavier weight, one closer to the individuals maximum weight. More force at the points of contact is exerted with the lighter weight.
Thus making the lighter weight heavier in the sense that more force may be applied and the movement is faster than with the heavier weight. Results being development of FTMF with a more realistic (faster movement)training scenario.
Just a play on words. You and I both know, no right answer is profit with out correct application.
Thanks for the welcome. Looking forward to some in depth discussion here.
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