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giguer · 04-15-2008, 12:11 AM

So now I finish my Whey Isolate. But I have some question. I don't know a lot about everything and for no reason. I don't want to take creatine. For me is not natural and it's like roids. That my opinion hehe.

Now what i'm taking is this

100% Whey Protein Isolate - 3cup a day
Natural Vitamins and minerals - 2pills of each in the morning and in the night

Now I want maybe to try Nitrix Oxide. Do you think is worth it?
Or i'm ok right now?
Or maybe something else.
And for people who will say, eat good and everything. I try to do my best. No junk food for sure.

Thx for helping me

y0utapped · 04-15-2008, 02:10 AM

seems strange that you would think creatine is unnatural and like roids and do not think the same about nox. creatine is found naturally in any foods so i don't see how you can think this is unnatural. there is also far more evidence supporting creatine aiding in muscle building than nox.
to me you seem fine with you're diet at the moment. if you begin to hit a plateau it may be wise to invest in something like this(i would go for creatine but nox is ok). how long have you been on this diet for and training. also i think glutamine would be a good idea.

giguer · 04-15-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by y0utapped

seems strange that you would think creatine is unnatural and like roids and do not think the same about nox. creatine is found naturally in any foods so i don't see how you can think this is unnatural. there is also far more evidence supporting creatine aiding in muscle building than nox.
to me you seem fine with you're diet at the moment. if you begin to hit a plateau it may be wise to invest in something like this(i would go for creatine but nox is ok). how long have you been on this diet for and training. also i think glutamine would be a good idea.

I know Creatine is not roids. But I don't want to take it. First to take protein he took me so long lol. So now Creatine, I don't know, just don't want to took it .

For training, i'm training for so long now but start very hard since last november.

FatCatMC · 04-15-2008, 10:59 AM

Creatine > Nitric Oxide

Creatine is tried and true while Nitric Oxide is kind of a "luxury" supplement. I used to take both, now I take neither. Hardly notice a difference.

Crashsti · 04-15-2008, 12:58 PM

I agree with the rest of the guys that Creatine is a better choice over the Nitric Oxide. Creatine has a long research history and is regarded as safe for everyone with proven results in the majority of athletes. But its not something you need to take to get results.

SmashingMachine · 04-15-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by y0utapped

seems strange that you would think creatine is unnatural and like roids and do not think the same about nox. creatine is found naturally in any foods so i don't see how you can think this is unnatural. there is also far more evidence supporting creatine aiding in muscle building than nox.
to me you seem fine with you're diet at the moment. if you begin to hit a plateau it may be wise to invest in something like this(i would go for creatine but nox is ok). how long have you been on this diet for and training. also i think glutamine would be a good idea.

I hear what you're saying, and I agree with you, but I also see his point. Afterall, Steroids are also hormones that occur in the body...just in mega doses. Creatine however is safe and proven. Though, it is not a must. I remember training way back when before the big creatine buzz was ever heard of...we didn't use and we still had crazy gains...so, while it might give you crazier gains, it isn't a necessity in my book. At least not for the average Joe. If you're a professional/semi-professional fighter/athelete then you it probably should be a necessity but for us weekend warriors it is not a must.

SmashingMachine · 04-15-2008, 09:13 PM

Creatine and Nox are both naturally occuring substances in the body; which benefit the athelte. Creatine, imo, is just better because creatine helps supply your cells with more readily made available energy, boost your gains and decrease your recovery time. NOX basically just improves your blood flow; which is why NOX is a big element in Viagra. NOX-CG3 is basically creatine and nitric oxide wrapped up as one supplement; which is why it was such a good one to get. L-Argine aides in NOX production too...so if you're looking for a cheaper option with good benefits there you go. Just make sure if you take medicines it doesn't interfere with or is dangerous to cross with.

k1sf · 04-16-2008, 05:14 AM

During the football world championship 1982 who Italy won,Creatine had used for the 1st time (however was the 1st time someone spoke about it) there was a lot of confusion and the doctor of team was accused of doping,after long analysis,it was known as natural,Imo was a terrible prob for the poor Marco Pantani and other bycicle racers,dangerous and many more

x.MMA.x · 04-17-2008, 12:13 AM

Creatine is a natrually found in the body. And either way your taking it because its in a fair ammount of the foods that you eat. Theres creatine in a steak, so your telling me your not going to eat a steak because its got creatine in it? All it does is replaces the phospherous after the phospherous has been used up in your adenosine triphosphate (ATP). Your atp gets used up in about 11 seconds during strength training, and it takes about a minute to restore, the creatine "supplement" just restores it much faster.

And yes 100% whey protein is what you should be using, with vitemins. Unless you train extensivly which I do then you need to keep your calorie intake high, so I'll take 100%whey, and gainers. Not bragging or anything but i'll train anywhere from two to four hours a day, some times five, if I got the time. Like tomorrow I have one hour at the gym, one hour of endurance running, then two hours of an cardio/strengthendruance routine I made up.

giguer · 04-17-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by x.MMA.x

Creatine is a natrually found in the body. And either way your taking it because its in a fair ammount of the foods that you eat. Theres creatine in a steak, so your telling me your not going to eat a steak because its got creatine in it? All it does is replaces the phospherous after the phospherous has been used up in your adenosine triphosphate (ATP). Your atp gets used up in about 11 seconds during strength training, and it takes about a minute to restore, the creatine "supplement" just restores it much faster.

And yes 100% whey protein is what you should be using, with vitemins. Unless you train extensivly which I do then you need to keep your calorie intake high, so I'll take 100%whey, and gainers. Not bragging or anything but i'll train anywhere from two to four hours a day, some times five, if I got the time. Like tomorrow I have one hour at the gym, one hour of endurance running, then two hours of an cardio/strengthendruance routine I made up.

For the creatine, before the read, I did it know. Thx to tell me that. Gonna check for creatine. But what I don't like, is im taking 3-4 shake a day. Now I will need to take more shake because of the creatine. But the Nitrix oxide is pills. But gonna check that now. Thx a lot

FatCatMC · 04-17-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by giguer

For the creatine, before the read, I did it know. Thx to tell me that. Gonna check for creatine. But what I don't like, is im taking 3-4 shake a day. Now I will need to take more shake because of the creatine. But the Nitrix oxide is pills. But gonna check that now. Thx a lot

Why would you need to take more shakes because of the creatine? Get some cheap creatine mono and throw a scoop in your post workout shake. I would also look into taking less shakes and replacing them with real food.

giguer · 04-17-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Why would you need to take more shakes because of the creatine? Get some cheap creatine mono and throw a scoop in your post workout shake. I would also look into taking less shakes and replacing them with real food.

Hum because creatine don't have the savor of chocolate lol so don't want to mix 2 thing. But a took only 3 shake a day. And with real food for now is really hard for me because I have a lot of personnal probleme and no money and I go back to the school. So school in the day, training in the night, sleep and start it again.

ANOTHER QUESTION HERE

I don't know a lot about creatine, but I found that somewhere and don't trust that at all lol.

Is true to don't take creatine if you do a lot of cardio? Like any mma fighter?

x.MMA.x · 04-17-2008, 06:42 PM

I don't see how taking creatine would hinder your cardio, I've never heard anything about the topic. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't negitivly effect your cardio.

giguer · 04-17-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by x.MMA.x

I don't see how taking creatine would hinder your cardio, I've never heard anything about the topic. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't negitivly effect your cardio.

That why I ask that. Some people talk about that but don't know nothing so. And if a start taking that. How many pills a need to take, a day? a week?

x.MMA.x · 04-17-2008, 11:14 PM

I think you would only need to one right before, or a little while before you work out depending on how fast it enters the bloods stream, which I don't really know how long it takes, but it shouldn't be to long, half an hour at the most. I've only used creatine once, but I did notice a different in recovery time.

Crashsti · 04-18-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by giguer

Hum because creatine don't have the savor of chocolate lol so don't want to mix 2 thing. But a took only 3 shake a day. And with real food for now is really hard for me because I have a lot of personnal probleme and no money and I go back to the school. So school in the day, training in the night, sleep and start it again.

ANOTHER QUESTION HERE

I don't know a lot about creatine, but I found that somewhere and don't trust that at all lol.

Is true to don't take creatine if you do a lot of cardio? Like any mma fighter?

You can get Creatine in capsules in case you're wondering. Also, Creatine will have no negative effects on your cardio. In fact, MMA fighters can greatly benefit from creatine since it supports the explosive energy systems used in the sport. I assure you that Creatine is safe for everyone. Also, if you wanted to get 5-10 grams of creatine from red meat you'd have to eat about 10 pounds of steak. As for dosage, most people do very well with 5 grams a day, 2.5 grams taken before exercise and 2.5 taken after. At least thats how i do it.

jplaca · 04-21-2008, 07:23 PM

I am also interested in investing in creatine. I am currently 143-147 lbs and work out often. When I train I lift heavy weights with low reps. Furthermore, I eat plenty of food and have yet to gain weight

My target goal is 155lbs, but I would like to retain my low body fat. If I used creatine, will I gain a lot of fat if I continue to work out as often as i do? Is it easy to keep the same body fat percentage as I have now?

SmashingMachine · 04-21-2008, 11:06 PM

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I am also interested in investing in creatine. I am currently 143-147 lbs and work out often. When I train I lift heavy weights with low reps. Furthermore, I eat plenty of food and have yet to gain weight

My target goal is 155lbs, but I would like to retain my low body fat. If I used creatine, will I gain a lot of fat if I continue to work out as often as i do? Is it easy to keep the same body fat percentage as I have now?

Creatine will not cause you to gain any fat. Creatine is one of the most important supplements, if you really want get aggressive about your weight training, and gain muscle mass. Creatine, amino acids and whey protein. Also, I'd switch from heavy weights and low reps to moderate-heavy weight and high reps. By increasing the number of reps with say, 75 percent of your max, you'll greatly increase your overall workload and thus make your muscles work more...stimulating them to grow. Porter Cotrell,, a former pro body builder, gave me his work out tape...ok so I met him and he sold it to me. And, it was insane. I ate like a horse 200 or more grams of protein a day and simulated his workout to the best of my ability and I became freakish in size. The biggest I've ever been, mind you not the strongest, but still plenty strong and fricking huge! High reps/moderate weight equals big muscle gains.

jplaca · 04-22-2008, 10:18 AM

when you say high reps, what do you mean. I consider 15 reps high. is that high enough or should the reps be higher

SmashingMachine · 04-22-2008, 05:11 PM

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when you say high reps, what do you mean. I consider 15 reps high. is that high enough or should the reps be higher

Yeah, 15 with 70-75% of your max is plenty. For instance, yesterday, I did a higher rep leg press work out. I did 180, 360, 450, and 500 all for 15 reps. Then immeadiately after the last set of 500, I stripped it down to 360 and immeadiately did 20 more reps. I went lighter yesterday, but none the less it was still a good workout. Porter Cortrell would do up to 70 reps of leg press at a time, but my body's just not conditioned that well and I don't think he and I take all the same supplements...he's a professional athelete...I'm not...all he does or did was train...so he can pound it much harder than the average joe. I would say 12 reps would be a minimum number of reps and 20-25 would be in the top range for guys like us...when you're training lesser weight and higher reps.