the one punch KO

angryjonny · 12-09-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by lwbfl

There are several different reasons you go out. It can be trauma to the brain, interruption of nerve impulses, lack of oxygen, or over stimulation of the brain. Any of these can cause a blackout. Too much pain or organ trauma (leeeeeeever shot) can cause a KO too. Striking several nerve bundles in the body can overload the brain and cause it to shut down. We proved this in my DT class as I struck the forearm, shoulder and thigh in quick succession and my partner fell out, even though it only was a couple of seconds.

A while back someone on here was telling me how stupid I was when I said I had been KO'd (blacked out) from getting elbowed in the lower side of my stomach.

Manubi · 12-09-2006, 03:54 PM

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lwbfl · 12-09-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

A while back someone on here was telling me how stupid I was when I said I had been KO'd (blacked out) from getting elbowed in the lower side of my stomach.

A good shot to the kidney, liver or solar plexus would drop those naysayers for sure. Its easy to talk for these computer warriors who have never been in a fight.

lethalweapon · 12-09-2006, 11:26 PM

Yea my boxing coach dropped a guy in training with a hook to the ribs that blacked him out.

Daniel · 12-10-2006, 05:39 AM

KO power is my primary goal training for MMA. The KO is the Holy Grail of MMA, and I figure that if you don't possess it, you're at a severe disadvantage.

I could explain a few of the techniques I use, but I'd just be poorly regurgitating the stuff I read on an ebook called "Bruce Lee Strength Training" which can be obtained through limewire or bitcomet.

I recommend a lot of what I call 10lb punches. This is punching with dumbells. I use 10lbs and go at a medium pace, three sets of 20. I do hooks, then uppercuts, then just straight out. I also do five minutes straight of punching with 2lb weights, this works great and seems to make my punch a lot faster.

Other than that, if you want power than I suggest you take boxing very, very seriously and lift weights (build shoulders, lats, and triceps, I wouldn't even bother with biceps which I consider to just be dead weight to throw at your opponent) and also work hard on the heavy bag...I see even people like Tito Ortiz training on the heavy bag, and I don't like the way they do it..it seems to me that Tito just hits it like he's bored and in some sort of routine, tap tap tap, no real power behind his hits but just a good cardio workout, I think it's really important to do as Bruce Lee says, when you do a pushup, go down until your nose almost touches the floor and come back all the way up, and when you're hitting the heavy bag, give it hell, hit it with your hardest evertime.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 12-10-2006, 10:59 AM

if you simply train for KO power you wont be a very good boxer though.... alot of it is form instead of just teeing off on a bag or with weights... your also begging to leave yourself open to get creamed only training in that fashion... accuracy, some power but almsot all technique is what gets those KOs, not just swinging for the fences

sitnspin · 12-10-2006, 11:29 PM

I'm siding with about a dozen fighters and coaches I've heard from who say that punching with weights in your hands is counterproductive. It doesn't develop punching power, and it doesn't help your handspeed because you're spending all that time punching slower than you'll want to when you're actually sparring. And it's easy to hyperextend or wind up with tendonitis.

Daniel · 12-11-2006, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

I'm siding with about a dozen fighters and coaches I've heard from who say that punching with weights in your hands is counterproductive. It doesn't develop punching power, and it doesn't help your handspeed because you're spending all that time punching slower than you'll want to when you're actually sparring. And it's easy to hyperextend or wind up with tendonitis.

I have heard this from boxers before, but I take Bruce Lee's opinion over anyone else's when it comes to training.

MillerLite · 12-11-2006, 02:20 AM

I did tried the shadow punching with dumbells, and found that it works really well after, my hands are really fast. But at the same time, it felt like there was speeed, but there was no power packed behind the punches.

That's when I went back to the old style, working out on the heavy bag. But if I could emphasize, it is good to add those light weight, wrist wrap, or ankle weight, 3-5 lbs each while working on the bags would be good. Slow you down a bit, but still able to make full contact to the heavy bag and feel the force of each punch or kick.

sitnspin · 12-11-2006, 07:46 AM

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I have heard this from boxers before, but I take Bruce Lee's opinion over anyone else's when it comes to training.

Bruce Lee could do amazing things, but he was an actor. I'll take the opinion of someone who fights for a living.

MTKrav911 · 12-11-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

A while back someone on here was telling me how stupid I was when I said I had been KO'd (blacked out) from getting elbowed in the lower side of my stomach.

Dont pay attention. In the famous words of Bas Rutten on his workout CD's I think he sums it up best.

"I keep a square stance for several reasons. One to defend the leg kick, but also the takedown. I hold my elbows low to protect my body more than anything. Because taking a shot to the body is not like taking a shot to the head. If you get hit in the head, no big deal. You wake up in the dressing room, whatever. You get hit anywhere in the abdomen you're gonna go down and wrench in pain and it sucks!"

Crashsti · 12-11-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Dont pay attention. In the famous words of Bas Rutten on his workout CD's I think he sums it up best.

"I keep a square stance for several reasons. One to defend the leg kick, but also the takedown. I hold my elbows low to protect my body more than anything. Because taking a shot to the body is not like taking a shot to the head. If you get hit in the head, no big deal. You wake up in the dressing room, whatever. You get hit anywhere in the abdomen you're gonna go down and wrench in pain and it sucks!"

i was dropped by a shot to my midsection just yesterday, my sparring partner timed my right straight and threw his own counter right into my midsection just below my sternum. i fell to the ground like a sack of rotten potatoes and even once i shook it off it affected me the rest of the session. it really does take your heart away.

lwbfl · 12-11-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

I'm siding with about a dozen fighters and coaches I've heard from who say that punching with weights in your hands is counterproductive. It doesn't develop punching power, and it doesn't help your handspeed because you're spending all that time punching slower than you'll want to when you're actually sparring. And it's easy to hyperextend or wind up with tendonitis.

I agree, speed suffers and speed should be learned before power is focused on.

Daniel · 12-12-2006, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

Bruce Lee could do amazing things, but he was an actor. I'll take the opinion of someone who fights for a living.

Bruce Lee was a martial artist above all else.

sitnspin · 12-12-2006, 07:21 PM

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Bruce Lee was a martial artist above all else.

Okay, man. That's like saying Jackie Chan is an authority on punching power too, then.

Daniel · 12-13-2006, 12:59 AM

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Okay, man. That's like saying Jackie Chan is an authority on punching power too, then.

...Have you ever heard of the one inch punch? Have you ever seen Bruce Lee hit a punching bag?

Jackie Chan is not Bruce Lee. Jackie Chan isn't considered to be the greatest martial artist to ever live, he was never believed to be -pound for pound- the strongest man alive. Check the profiles of the fighters on the UFC website, see how many list Bruce Lee as their hero and compare it to how many list Jackie Chan.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 12-13-2006, 08:32 AM

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...Have you ever heard of the one inch punch? Have you ever seen Bruce Lee hit a punching bag?

Jackie Chan is not Bruce Lee. Jackie Chan isn't considered to be the greatest martial artist to ever live, he was never believed to be -pound for pound- the strongest man alive. Check the profiles of the fighters on the UFC website, see how many list Bruce Lee as their hero and compare it to how many list Jackie Chan.

ok enough of this lol.. your arguing via myths and legends... everyone else are telling you facts and practical ways to hit harder...

Daniel · 12-13-2006, 08:53 AM

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ok enough of this lol.. your arguing via myths and legends... everyone else are telling you facts and practical ways to hit harder...

Bruce Lee's methods are practical, and on the subject of punching with weights, this is something many boxers do, there's no myth about it.

And what facts am I arguing? What facts have even been presented against me? None. Sitnspin hasn't thrown any facts against me, all he has done is said that he disagrees with me that punching with weights is effective, he says he disagrees because of what a dozen or so coaches and trainers have told him, and that's cool. After that, all I argued was that Bruce Lee was more than an actor, and are you saying that's a myth?

To be honest I think your post here is completely out of right field.

And as for your prior post on the subject of punching with weights....

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if you simply train for KO power you wont be a very good boxer though.... alot of it is form instead of just teeing off on a bag or with weights... your also begging to leave yourself open to get creamed only training in that fashion... accuracy, some power but almsot all technique is what gets those KOs, not just swinging for the fences

Only training in that fashion?

Why do you assume I only train in that fashion? Did I say this? No. I said KO power was my primary target in training, kinda how Tito Ortiz's primary target is his stamina. Does that mean Tito Ortiz doesn't train for anything else? No. I also hit pads, speedbag, double end bag, and I spar.

Everything you've said about me and my beliefs is wrong, because you're assuming too much. The problem here isn't that I believe in myth and legend, it's that you guys need to educate yourself on Bruce Lee. Do you really think Bruce Lee didn't have power?

Daniel · 12-13-2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

ok enough of this lol.. your arguing via myths and legends... everyone else are telling you facts and practical ways to hit harder...

And who is this "everyone else"?

lol...nobody else even said anything, except lwbfl, who said speed should be focused on first.

lethalweapon · 12-13-2006, 09:50 AM

I know this may sound random but use the double end bag as often as possible. It makes you so much accurate and faster while also practicing slipping techniques at the same time. In my opinion it is the best traning equipment for me.