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Crashsti · 12-06-2006, 11:39 AM

here's something everyone wants to be good at!!! so what does it take to lay a guy out on the canvas with just one punch? luck certainly plays a role but i think with training you can improve the odds. power, well this is a no-brainer, with power you can hit a guy anywhere on the head and he might go down. Timing, i would say this is the most important, knowing when to throw, finding the opening. the opening could be a counter punch like Chuck Liddell uses or it could be just waiting for a guy to drop his hand and then unload on him. i personally find it very difficult to land any clean punches in sparring, mostly since i am a novice. impatience is another problem for me, i so badly want to land the big punch that i don't set anything up and just throw haymakers. i could be a teacher in how not to get the KO.

lethalweapon · 12-06-2006, 12:04 PM

The one punch KO is timing, accuracy, and power. MOst of the time when Chuck Liddell KO's some one he says it is while he is throwing combos. Set up your punches, land them righ on the jaw, and torque your body weight into them.

sitnspin · 12-06-2006, 12:13 PM

You're right about luck. Some of the most dramatic KOs have happened because the receiver was moving toward the punch at exactly the right split-second.

A good technique is to always circle towards his power hand (his right if he fights orthodox). It's defensive in the sense that it takes away the angle and distance he needs to hit you with it, and it's offensive in the sense that it forces him to step away and plant more, which provides a better opening for you. Obviously you're both trying to do the same thing so it doesn't work as smoothly as I'm implying, but be first, be agile, and fake him out with feints and get him to overcommit and you'll be able to control his movements more of the time.

Crashsti · 12-06-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

You're right about luck. Some of the most dramatic KOs have happened because the receiver was moving toward the punch at exactly the right split-second.

A good technique is to always circle towards his power hand (his right if he fights orthodox). It's defensive in the sense that it takes away the angle and distance he needs to hit you with it, and it's offensive in the sense that it forces him to step away and plant more, which provides a better opening for you. Obviously you're both trying to do the same thing so it doesn't work as smoothly as I'm implying, but be first, be agile, and fake him out with feints and get him to overcommit and you'll be able to control his movements more of the time.

i was always told to circle away from the power hand? what gives?

sitnspin · 12-06-2006, 12:23 PM

I understand why -- the logic being that he can't reach you with it. But I'm talking about ring generalship -- crowding him on that side to take away his angles. It's just an alternate strategy. You can move away from him so he has to chase you, or you can squeeze him so he has to back away to get anything big off.

I guess I'm jumping past the novice lessons and going straight to the advanced stuff here. It's something my coach was pushing on me when I'd already been sparring for a couple of years. Another example is coming in with your lead hand down at your cup. I know it looks like showboating, and you'd tell a new guy to keep both his hands up all the time, but having your lead down below his field of vision creates other opportunities.

For the record, I NEVER got good at this kind of stance, and when he'd force me to use it I'd get my bell rung all the time. I packed it in before I ever really got the hang of it.

Crashsti · 12-06-2006, 12:28 PM

i get it now, its just something i have never read in any of my boxing books. its always circle away from the power hand. you hear the UFC announcers say it all the time. i can see where circling towards the power hand opens up a whole new string of possibilities to the advanced striker.

the_nothing · 12-07-2006, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

I understand why -- the logic being that he can't reach you with it. But I'm talking about ring generalship -- crowding him on that side to take away his angles. It's just an alternate strategy. You can move away from him so he has to chase you, or you can squeeze him so he has to back away to get anything big off.

I guess I'm jumping past the novice lessons and going straight to the advanced stuff here. It's something my coach was pushing on me when I'd already been sparring for a couple of years. Another example is coming in with your lead hand down at your cup. I know it looks like showboating, and you'd tell a new guy to keep both his hands up all the time, but having your lead down below his field of vision creates other opportunities.

For the record, I NEVER got good at this kind of stance, and when he'd force me to use it I'd get my bell rung all the time. I packed it in before I ever really got the hang of it.

Is the idea just getting your hand back up to block, quicker or is there other ways to block when you're in that stance?

Dirty Fighter · 12-07-2006, 12:24 AM

You need a decent reach advantage and a crisp, quick jab to be able tofight with your lead hand down. This stance is good for setting up the power shots, by flicking the jab out there to keep him out of striking range, then throwing an overhand or crossbody shot for the power shot. If you fight in this stance it is a good idea to lift your lead shoulder to your chin/jawline to make up for having your hands down.

MillerLite · 12-07-2006, 12:36 AM

Well I move away from the power hand, but while moving forward stepping inward. Keep both elbows up and easy to counter strike, upper cuts all kind of openings presents. It works well for me in the past. Also bend the front knee, almost like preparing to go for a take down, chin tuck in.

MTKrav911 · 12-07-2006, 11:54 AM

IT's interesting becaue I don't have the greatest power with my punches (they're not love taps, but they're certainly not Tyson power either.) But a lot of my sparring partners tell me all the time that with my timing, I dont need power.

I never really understand what they're saying, but I do tend to be able to anticipate and time my strikes before the other guy can defend it.

And my leg kicks????

FOreggedda bout it!!!!

I love kicking people!

Good thread crash.

I think it's like you said a combination of timing and power. But DO NOT forget speed too. I'll take the speed guy over the power guy every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.

MTKrav911 · 12-07-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lethalweapon

The one punch KO is timing, accuracy, and power. MOst of the time when Chuck Liddell KO's some one he says it is while he is throwing combos. Set up your punches, land them righ on the jaw, and torque your body weight into them.

I think Chuck is a great example of the Punches in Bunches guy.

He just throws a whole bunch from all these weird angles when he's pressed and that's dangerous. His philosophy (which can be a correct one with a guy with his power) is that at least one will land and one is all he needs.

That philosophy though wouldnt work with someone not as powerful. They'd simply PO the guy if they hit em and either get taken down or counter punched TFO!

Daniel · 12-07-2006, 04:46 PM

"I ain't tryin to knock ya out...I just know I will."

-The Iceman

MTKrav911 · 12-07-2006, 07:34 PM

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"I ain't tryin to knock ya out...I just know I will."

-The Iceman

Precisely.

What was better on that TUF episode when he said that was the guys looking at him after he said that and they were like WTF???

lethalweapon · 12-08-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Fighter

You need a decent reach advantage and a crisp, quick jab to be able tofight with your lead hand down. This stance is good for setting up the power shots, by flicking the jab out there to keep him out of striking range, then throwing an overhand or crossbody shot for the power shot. If you fight in this stance it is a good idea to lift your lead shoulder to your chin/jawline to make up for having your hands down.

Exactly, Lifting your lead shoulder is the most important part of that stance, Mayweather uses that technique and it works for him.

lethalweapon · 12-08-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

I think Chuck is a great example of the Punches in Bunches guy.

He just throws a whole bunch from all these weird angles when he's pressed and that's dangerous. His philosophy (which can be a correct one with a guy with his power) is that at least one will land and one is all he needs.

That philosophy though wouldnt work with someone not as powerful. They'd simply PO the guy if they hit em and either get taken down or counter punched TFO!

If you are a speed guy it is wise to jab and use quick punches where ever you see an opening. Then when your opponent is off balance from a right( if he is right handed) or a punch that does not hit it's mark throw a combo. Mix things up throw leg and body kicks, hooks, jabs, cross, uppercut, body punches. As said by sitinspin before, this is the perfect time to circle toward his power hand. Expect him to throw that hand so slip the punch and continue your initial combo. If you get your opponent against the ropes, or wall or cage keep him at the end of your strikes and give him some room, then attack again. Always keep your back to the center of the ring. I guareentee eventually you will get a knock out.

Goeth27 · 12-08-2006, 11:25 PM

I need to get into muay thai and BJJ classes this spring, but I thought KO's were from the brain rattling in the skull, wouldn't a series of punches rattle it more then just 1 on average and get more KO's from a series of punches and not just one?

the_nothing · 12-08-2006, 11:33 PM

I thought it was a nerve being pinched behind your jaw that made you go unconsious.

MTKrav911 · 12-09-2006, 12:12 AM

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I need to get into muay thai and BJJ classes this spring, but I thought KO's were from the brain rattling in the skull, wouldn't a series of punches rattle it more then just 1 on average and get more KO's from a series of punches and not just one?

That may scientifically what happens to you. But REALITY is you get hit and it's truly like it's lights out.

Actually, there's no pain involved in getting knocked out. Just one minute you're there, the next, your're waking up. You may have a headache, but overall, for all intents and purposes, it doesent hurt.

Ya get caught, ya get caught.

No harm, no foul!

sitnspin · 12-09-2006, 07:46 AM

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I thought it was a nerve being pinched behind your jaw that made you go unconsious.

I heard Joe Rogan say that too, and I think it's crap. I think a variety of things can cause what we'd call a knockout. If you look at Franklin destroying Nate Quarry, that was just a straight shot at the nose, but it snapped his head back so it could have been either his brain getting jostled in his skull, or just his body going into a kind of shock -- I think the latter is pretty common. That sudden, massive impact and you faint / black out.

My coach told me knockouts happen when you leave your chin out. The other guy catches it and "it's like someone driving by in a car and hitting a mailbox with a bat". Your head gets cranked around, your brain bounces off the side of your skull, and you go to sleep. So tuck that chin in.

lwbfl · 12-09-2006, 10:03 AM

There are several different reasons you go out. It can be trauma to the brain, interruption of nerve impulses, lack of oxygen, or over stimulation of the brain. Any of these can cause a blackout. Too much pain or organ trauma (leeeeeeever shot) can cause a KO too. Striking several nerve bundles in the body can overload the brain and cause it to shut down. We proved this in my DT class as I struck the forearm, shoulder and thigh in quick succession and my partner fell out, even though it only was a couple of seconds.